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Old 12-26-2021, 11:32 PM
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What brand is this toilet ? .

There's a good discussion on brands and styles, I didn't realize the swirl isn't what moves things along, it's the jet at the bottom, many toilets don't have well designed jets...

I got fed up and bought a KHOLER after watching this silly and absurd TV commercial about the husband flushing all his wife's cosmetics then a 40 $ bag of dog food...

It co$t $600 and broke my little budget for a long time but was worth evry penny, several years now and nary one clog...

Sadly I have over six decades of plunger use and experience , I don't want to so that anymore .

It turns out there's a specific method to make a plunger work easily .
The Toilet is original to the house when I bought it in 1977. I have never noticed a maker's name on it.

But I have to believe it is possible for any toilet to get blocked.

Oddly my father who used to own and maintain an apartment building did not ever have a Toilet Auger. I called him hoping I would not have to buy one.

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Although Instant Power Main Line Cleaner is not to be used in toilets, it really does help to unclog your main sewer drain lines. I've used both it and the Instant Power Hair and Grease formula for some time and both products have saved me a FORTUNE in plumber bills!!! The Instant Power Hair and Grease formula works GREAT in both washing machine drains and kitchen sink drains. You put it in, let it sit over night then run a lot of HOT WATER down the drains.

Both Instant Power products are miracles and life savers!

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Instant-Power-128-oz-Main-Line-Cleaner-1801/100126446

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Old 12-27-2021, 11:28 AM
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Although Instant Power Main Line Cleaner is not to be used in toilets, it really does help to unclog your main sewer drain lines. I've used both it and the Instant Power Hair and Grease formula for some time and both products have saved me a FORTUNE in plumber bills!!! The Instant Power Hair and Grease formula works GREAT in both washing machine drains and kitchen sink drains. You put it in, let it sit over night then run a lot of HOT WATER down the drains.

Both Instant Power products are miracles and life savers!

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Instant-Power-128-oz-Main-Line-Cleaner-1801/100126446
There are things that may or may not work. My problem was I had to use what I already had at home, and I had no sort of snakes I could use as they were in my Van which was in another city.

Also in the back of my Van was a pound of Lye crystals. Mixed with some Water to a sufficient volume to make it to the clog that is an old school way to eat up a clog. Not that it took 2 gallons of the degreaser liquid to do the job.

If I had had 2 gallons of straight bleach that also would have likely worked.

3 months ago, I tried for 3 weeks to fix an extremely slow bathtub drain (why my snakes and so on were in my Van). Bleach got it to open a bit more.
I even went as far as to remove the pipes under the bathtub, and I could not get the sake in it sufficiently to reach a clog which must have been on down the line. Oddly the sink and the toilet in that same bathroom worked fine.

I used one can of Lye mixed with water down into it and let it set over night but there was only a little difference.

I had tried something called a drain bag which is a thing that that attaches to your garden hose. It has a rubber tip on it with a small hole. You stick it inside of the pipe, turn on the hose and the rubber end inflate sealing off the pipe and at the same time water shoots out the hole. It did not work.

I figured that the drain bag did not work because there was insufficient flow.

What did work was I made a fitting to hook to the drain and to the garden hose and I ran the hose at full bore for 30 minutes and that cleared the clog.

That was about 2 months ago, and my Wife tells me the draining is getting slow again.
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Old 12-27-2021, 11:36 AM
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The guy in the above called what I bought a closet auger I called it a toilet auger. He claims what I bought is a urinal auger.
What I bought is sufficient enough to deal with a clog within the toilet itself. I won't reach passed that.

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Old 12-27-2021, 03:20 PM
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Thanx husky man ~ I prefer ROBEC foaming drain cleaner, it also works like a dream and kills and removes roots too, you have to live it sit overnight .

https://www.homedepot.com/p/ROEBIC-Foaming-Root-Killer-FRK-6-1LB/301194668

Look online to find the best price and follow the directions - many don't and then complain it didn't work .

I like the non acidic nature of the stuff husky man suggests, too many older or non metal pipes these days to risk using Lye ("DRAIN-O") .
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A few points. Modern plumbing code does not allow a 90 degree fitting in a toilet line. Two 45 degree fittings to make a ninety degree bend instead. I assume this is convention across all of north America. Just not certain.

Ideal line slope is 1/4 inch per foot I was always made to understand. As less chance of leaving things high and dry in the drain pipe I suppose. Personally where possible i have always put in more slope with no issues ever so far.

Many are too young to remember that years ago the flush tank was mounted high on the wall. When they moved the flushing tank on to the basic toilet. A major loss of flushing pressure occurred..

Some designs of the exit traps of modern toilets should be enough to cause issues.

Case in point. Some American standard units. Once a quality manufacturer seem to me to be about the worse in this regard. Almost certain to cause issues at some point.
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Old 12-30-2021, 05:11 PM
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Thumbs up MORE Schooling !

THANK YOU ! .

I bought my current house in 1988 and it came with a brandy new American Standard crapper that had endless clogs .
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I never use a snake down the toilet bowl. I pull the toilet and snake into the sewer line. Getting the snake around the siphon curves is tough, and scratches the hell out of the surface, and then you're fighting all the twists when you try to crank it.

If you think the clog is in the toilet itself, a plunger is the ticket. This is the best kind IMO:



These are pretty good as well.



You first put it in gently, depress til it flattens out, then slowly extend it back out but leave the end under water. This gets it mostly full of water. Then you do highspeed in and out moves, just a few inches either direction.

True story, a week ago a client called me over, I did a large job a month or so ago, not my favorite job, I and a really smart Guatemalan guy covered his roof in tarps. Was his first big rain in the house about a week before that and it leaked like a sieve. Semi flat roof Eichler home. It worked (thank God) he's happy, will get a new roof in the spring. Has lots more work for me, one item was a clogged toilet, he was talking about getting a snake. He had a plunger a lot like these two. Said his arm was getting sore from all the plunging but it was still clogged. I tried my method for maybe 30 seconds, not that strenuous, just rapid and continual. I didn't think it had worked as there was still brown water in the bowl. Then he flushed it and it filled up with clean water. Somehow the cmac wondro method worked. Shocked the shyte out of me, NPI. The guy aready thinks I'm a wizard, man have I got him fooled. But so many people are helpless with home issues. Dude is a wiz with IT (Indian) and he insists on me charging top dollar.

PS: I rarely find plungers to be good for anything except toilets. Keep that filthy thing out of your sinks.
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A few points. Modern plumbing code does not allow a 90 degree fitting in a toilet line. Two 45 degree fittings to make a ninety degree bend instead. I assume this is convention across all of north America. Just not certain.

Ideal line slope is 1/4 inch per foot I was always made to understand. As less chance of leaving things high and dry in the drain pipe I suppose. Personally where possible i have always put in more slope with no issues ever so far.

Many are too young to remember that years ago the flush tank was mounted high on the wall. When they moved the flushing tank on to the basic toilet. A major loss of flushing pressure occurred..

Some designs of the exit traps of modern toilets should be enough to cause issues.

Case in point. Some American standard units. Once a quality manufacturer seem to me to be about the worse in this regard. Almost certain to cause issues at some point.
I don't recall what is under my house, but my house was built in 1927. I have no idea what the code was at that time.
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I never use a snake down the toilet bowl. I pull the toilet and snake into the sewer line. Getting the snake around the siphon curves is tough, and scratches the hell out of the surface, and then you're fighting all the twists when you try to crank it.

If you think the clog is in the toilet itself, a plunger is the ticket. This is the best kind IMO:



These are pretty good as well.



You first put it in gently, depress til it flattens out, then slowly extend it back out but leave the end under water. This gets it mostly full of water. Then you do highspeed in and out moves, just a few inches either direction.

True story, a week ago a client called me over, I did a large job a month or so ago, not my favorite job, I and a really smart Guatemalan guy covered his roof in tarps. Was his first big rain in the house about a week before that and it leaked like a sieve. Semi flat roof Eichler home. It worked (thank God) he's happy, will get a new roof in the spring. Has lots more work for me, one item was a clogged toilet, he was talking about getting a snake. He had a plunger a lot like these two. Said his arm was getting sore from all the plunging but it was still clogged. I tried my method for maybe 30 seconds, not that strenuous, just rapid and continual. I didn't think it had worked as there was still brown water in the bowl. Then he flushed it and it filled up with clean water. Somehow the cmac wondro method worked. Shocked the shyte out of me, NPI. The guy aready thinks I'm a wizard, man have I got him fooled. But so many people are helpless with home issues. Dude is a wiz with IT (Indian) and he insists on me charging top dollar.

PS: I rarely find plungers to be good for anything except toilets. Keep that filthy thing out of your sinks.
I have never had to snake out a toilet nor have I removed one just to deal with a clog. And the incident that started the thread was a first time when a plunger did not work.
I likely should buy one of the plungers you have pictured but I bought one on eBay like the one at the below site that has not arrived yet. The eBay one costs a good deal less.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Xelparuc-Toilet-Plunger-Toilet-Dredge-Power-Cleaned-Toilet-Pipe-Environmentally-Friendly-Stainless-Steel-Handle-With-Wall-Hook/231626169

I guess just as you need more than one golf club it could be a good idea to have more than one plunger or other means to unclog a toilet.
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At my other house built in 1956 I spent 3 weeks opening up an extremely slow tub drain.

And while that was going on there was another issue that showed up. When the washer spins out the water some of it comes up into the kitchen sink indicating some restriction on down the line. The only respite I got from that was because I forgot about it till reminded about it 4 days ago.
At least the kitchen drain has a clean out plug. In the past I have used my father's Roto-Rooter type machine down that clean out. I gave it to me and now I am not sure where I put it.

I did not mention it but between the Christmas eve toilet clog I had another similar clog. I bailed out all the water I could and poured in about a quart or so of Walmart's Mean Green, super strength cleaner & degreaser. About 3 hours later I poured in some waters so I could use the plunger and it easily unclogged.

Apparently cleaner degreaser stuff like purple power and the mean green has the ability to eat into feces and toilet paper if the chemicals can reach it.
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Thumbs up Robek Drain Cleaner

Did I mention this stuff before ? : https://www.amazon.com/Roebic-FRK-1LB-Foaming-Killer-1-Pound/dp/B000BQM5DS/ref=sr_1_13?crid=WNJT7SITL348&keywords=robek+drain+cleaner&qid=1641477620&sprefix=robek+drain+cleaner%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-13

It's a two stage powder you pour into a slow drain (toilet in my case) and it worked like .
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Yes, you did. What I look at is that the cleaner degreaser is cheaper and can be used for other tasks. Purple power is something I have in my home nearly all of the time as I use it to degrease automotive parts and to a lesser extent on driveways or other cleaning issues.

Multi-purpose and cheaper verse's single purpose.

I am going to switch from the Purple Power to Walmart Mean Green because it is cheaper at $5 per gallon.

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