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Old 02-23-2003, 05:57 PM
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Andy Rooney Talks About France

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/14/60minutes/rooney/main540729.shtml

This pretty much sums it up for me...

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Old 02-23-2003, 06:59 PM
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Excellent artice. You're right, he pretty much put it in a nutshell for everyone, didn't he!

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Old 02-23-2003, 07:36 PM
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Pathetic arguement. All of what that old fart said was that France should thank the US troops for being part of a force that freed the French from the German occupiers. Seems he's using that excuse to discredit any oppinion to what the French might have... and that does not make any sence to me. He just sounds like any other old Grandpa mumbling along about his War stories and what he did or witness. yaaaaaawwwwwwn
Why is it you have no respect for people whom have served? You may say you care but you know down deep you don't like veterans because of the courage it takes to sign on the dotted line. I think it's a rotten shame good men and women die for people who think they are of lesser intelligence and class.
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Old 02-23-2003, 07:42 PM
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Other famous Americans talk about France:

David Letterman: "France wants more evidence [of Iraqi violations]. The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through France with a German flag."

Dennis Miller: "The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq."

Jay Leno: "I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!"

Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.: "Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris? It's not known, it's never been tried."

Blunt again: "Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being advertised on eBay the other day -- the description was: 'Never shot. Dropped once.'"

And even an unwitting French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
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Old 02-23-2003, 07:54 PM
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Pathetic arguement. All of what that old fart said was that France should thank the US troops for being part of a force that freed the French from the German occupiers. Seems he's using that excuse to discredit any oppinion to what the French might have... and that does not make any sence to me. He just sounds like any other old Grandpa mumbling along about his War stories and what he did or witness. yaaaaaawwwwwwn
Obviously YOU are just as ungrateful and unaware as they are. MANY THOUSANDS of people DIED so that you would be free to sit here and be bored and ungrateful.

That article simply adds to the LONG list of reasons to NOT listen to France when it comes to this matter, or many other matters of global concern.

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Why is it you have no respect for people whom have served? You may say you care but you know down deep you don't like veterans because of the courage it takes to sign on the dotted line. I think it's a rotten shame good men and women die for people who think they are of lesser intelligence and class.
I was waiting for that... and I knew you might be one of the people to say that, too. I have admiration and respect for anyone who has served in any service where they put their lives at risk. But that incident where Old-Fart Rooney mentions has nothing to do with the current issue with France's view. If you want to argue that, then prove to me how France's view on the Iraq issue is null because our US forces were part of a force that freed the French during WWII. This absolutely makes no sence!

If you care so much about people who show courage.. then why do I see members on this forum bashing on Nelson Mandela because he opposes what Bush is doing? Im surprised that I haven't seen members start a thread where they bash the Pope because he to opposes what Bush is doing and/or planning on doing.

I am also tired of seeing threads being posted by an obvious clique in which any view by other members is visciously attacked in our "gentlemen" ways. Due to this, I have seen some good forum members decide to leave because they couldn't handle the crap that was tossed around on the open forum.

Oh well... I have put myself up for an attack, take yer best shot
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Obviously YOU are just as ungrateful and unaware as they are. MANY THOUSANDS of people DIED so that you would be free to sit here and be bored and ungrateful.

That article simply adds to the LONG list of reasons to NOT listen to France when it comes to this matter, or many other matters of global concern.

Mike
Yea... what an original and hurtful attack.I am ungrateful AND unaware... yea, you're right about that. Maybe I should share the political view with a liberitarian "jerk"/ musician. I think I should be just like you and infest my mind with some more half-BS to total BS stories and facts on Fox and CNN. But then again, maybe its better how I am in that I put my self in a neutral view and look at materials from both angles and use logic sence. Oh and please do use the "I am a stupid college kid that knows %$*# about whats going on around me." excuse.
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Old 02-23-2003, 08:23 PM
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I was waiting for that... and I knew you might be one of the people to say that, too. I have admiration and respect for anyone who has served in any service where they put their lives at risk. But that incident where Old-Fart Rooney mentions has nothing to do with the current issue with France's view. If you want to argue that, then prove to me how France's view on the Iraq issue is null because our US forces were part of a force that freed the French during WWII. This absolutely makes no sence!
Because if you knew your history, you'd know that the REASON France was occupied in the first place, causing us to have to save their pompous a$$es, was because they were AGAINST taking action to stop Hitler until it was too late and his army had already occupied France in RECORD time! They have a long history of apathy and appeasement, and it has come back to haunt them every time. They apparently still have not learned their lesson.

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If you care so much about people who show courage.. then why do I see members on this forum bashing on Nelson Mandela because he opposes what Bush is doing?
I am also tired of seeing threads being posted by an obvious clique in which any view by other members is visciously attacked in our "gentlemen" ways. Due to this, I have seen some good forum members decide to leave because they couldn't handle the crap that was tossed around on the open forum.
Nelson Mandella shows COURAGE by opposing our efforts, and by saying the US "doesn't care about the suffering of others" (paraphrased)????? Hardly! What he shows is IGNORANCE and again, ungratefulness. How can he seriously make such comments after the US went to VERY GREAT trouble and expense to free him, and after we just pledged billions to fight AIDS in Africa, where he is from? The US spends more dollars and manpower in foreign aid than ANY COUNTRY in the world, EVER! So yes, his opinion means about as much to me as Chirac's.

As far as the members who have left...I have no sympathy. If your feelings are so delicate that you can't handle the responses to your posts, then you have no business on the Open Forum. You don't see ME "picking up my toys and leaving" like a child, or running off to report it to a moderator, when you or someone else posts something that I believe to be BS, or even an attack or an insult. Who cares? Big deal. Grow up. That is the nature of an "Open Forum", that is the nature of discussion and debate. If their fragile little emotions can't handle that, then I say, "Good riddance". We don't need the "chronically offended" here.

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Pathetic arguement. All of what that old fart said was that France should thank the US troops for being part of a force that freed the French from the German occupiers. Seems he's using that excuse to discredit any oppinion to what the French might have... and that does not make any sence to me. He just sounds like any other old Grandpa mumbling along about his War stories and what he did or witness. yaaaaaawwwwwwn
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Old 02-23-2003, 08:29 PM
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Yea... what an original and hurtful attack.I am ungrateful AND unaware... yea, you're right about that. Maybe I should share the political view with a liberitarian "jerk"/ musician. I think I should be just like you and infest my mind with some more half-BS to total BS stories and facts on Fox and CNN. But then again, maybe its better how I am in that I put my self in a neutral view and look at materials from both angles and use logic sence. Oh and please do use the "I am a stupid college kid that knows %$*# about whats going on around me." excuse.
That's not an attack, it's an observation. You act a certain way, and I point out that you act that way. If it's incorrect, then the way you represent yourself through your posts is the reason.

I put no more faith in CNN's stories and opinions than I do YOURS! You have no idea what my sources of information are, so how can you comment? What does your "logic sence (sp)" tell you about that?

I don't use "I am a stupid college kid..." as an excuse. Do you?

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Good magazine!

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Old 02-23-2003, 11:04 PM
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French Military Victories

Probably fits better in one of the earlier France threads, oh well..
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Old 02-23-2003, 11:32 PM
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France is a democratic nation. If the people of France oppose war, then it's the obligation of their government to oppose war, as well.

Whether this is "right" in the US context is a separate argument, but this is the will of a nation-state.

The will of the US is always right...? Whether I side with France's position is not of concern to them. They have made their decision (and I hope it is indeed the will of their people, and not of some politico) and that is the state we have to deal with. Jay Leno making remarks won't influence them.
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You're right blackmercedes, but he might as well make some France jokes while its still politically correct to do so. This wont last forever.
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Old 02-25-2003, 12:57 PM
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Well, I don't mind French opposition. At least US knows who their real friends are (see "eastern Europe"). What irks me is the hipocritical stance of "no blood for US oil" and "France wants peace".

Just read two interesting articles. Chirac is ending his luckluster 7 years as prime minister where all he did was fending off the accusations of corruption. He wants to leave a legacy (Bill Clinton, anyone?). His personal dream is to be the leader of unified Europe. He picked the only way to do it- say no to the big, ugly American. It seems to be working domestically, because his popularity doubled. However, he has a problem- the majority of Europe does not want to be led by Franko-German hegemony. That's why he was so shrill about the dissent of the eastern europe. I think, based on the response in these countries (Romanian newspaper headline- "Chirac's Dream is Ending") he picked the wrong fight. He'll loose.

The second article dealt with two business deals involving Iraq. The first one- France's biggest oil company Total just signed $50 billion deal with Saddam. In the opinion of the US oil experts it's the biggest and the most loopsided (in favor of France) deal they've seen. They felt that the $$$ difference amounts to Saddam bribing the French government to support Iraq in the UN. The second was about a $36 billion contract with the Russian firm Lukoil to restore Iraq's oil infrastructure. Iraq cancelled the deal after Russia began supporting US in December. So now Russian oppose war in hopes of getting these monies back. I believe Saddam had similar deals with Germany. All of these deals will be cancelled by the new Iraqi government.

Can you say "No more Iraqi blood for French oil" ???
Anyone wants to comment on the US "War Mongering"???????

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