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Andy Rooney Talks About France
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/14/60minutes/rooney/main540729.shtml
This pretty much sums it up for me... |
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Excellent artice. You're right, he pretty much put it in a nutshell for everyone, didn't he!
Mike
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Other famous Americans talk about France:
David Letterman: "France wants more evidence [of Iraqi violations]. The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through France with a German flag." Dennis Miller: "The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq." Jay Leno: "I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!" Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.: "Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris? It's not known, it's never been tried." Blunt again: "Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being advertised on eBay the other day -- the description was: 'Never shot. Dropped once.'" And even an unwitting French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure." |
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That article simply adds to the LONG list of reasons to NOT listen to France when it comes to this matter, or many other matters of global concern. Mike
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If you care so much about people who show courage.. then why do I see members on this forum bashing on Nelson Mandela because he opposes what Bush is doing? Im surprised that I haven't seen members start a thread where they bash the Pope because he to opposes what Bush is doing and/or planning on doing. I am also tired of seeing threads being posted by an obvious clique in which any view by other members is visciously attacked in our "gentlemen" ways. Due to this, I have seen some good forum members decide to leave because they couldn't handle the crap that was tossed around on the open forum. Oh well... I have put myself up for an attack, take yer best shot |
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As far as the members who have left...I have no sympathy. If your feelings are so delicate that you can't handle the responses to your posts, then you have no business on the Open Forum. You don't see ME "picking up my toys and leaving" like a child, or running off to report it to a moderator, when you or someone else posts something that I believe to be BS, or even an attack or an insult. Who cares? Big deal. Grow up. That is the nature of an "Open Forum", that is the nature of discussion and debate. If their fragile little emotions can't handle that, then I say, "Good riddance". We don't need the "chronically offended" here. Mike
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Pathetic arguement. All of what that old fart said was that France should thank the US troops for being part of a force that freed the French from the German occupiers. Seems he's using that excuse to discredit any oppinion to what the French might have... and that does not make any sence to me. He just sounds like any other old Grandpa mumbling along about his War stories and what he did or witness. yaaaaaawwwwwwn
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I put no more faith in CNN's stories and opinions than I do YOURS! You have no idea what my sources of information are, so how can you comment? What does your "logic sence (sp)" tell you about that? I don't use "I am a stupid college kid..." as an excuse. Do you? Mike
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Good magazine!
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France is a democratic nation. If the people of France oppose war, then it's the obligation of their government to oppose war, as well.
Whether this is "right" in the US context is a separate argument, but this is the will of a nation-state. The will of the US is always right...? Whether I side with France's position is not of concern to them. They have made their decision (and I hope it is indeed the will of their people, and not of some politico) and that is the state we have to deal with. Jay Leno making remarks won't influence them.
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You're right blackmercedes, but he might as well make some France jokes while its still politically correct to do so. This wont last forever.
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Well, I don't mind French opposition. At least US knows who their real friends are (see "eastern Europe"). What irks me is the hipocritical stance of "no blood for US oil" and "France wants peace".
Just read two interesting articles. Chirac is ending his luckluster 7 years as prime minister where all he did was fending off the accusations of corruption. He wants to leave a legacy (Bill Clinton, anyone?). His personal dream is to be the leader of unified Europe. He picked the only way to do it- say no to the big, ugly American. It seems to be working domestically, because his popularity doubled. However, he has a problem- the majority of Europe does not want to be led by Franko-German hegemony. That's why he was so shrill about the dissent of the eastern europe. I think, based on the response in these countries (Romanian newspaper headline- "Chirac's Dream is Ending") he picked the wrong fight. He'll loose. The second article dealt with two business deals involving Iraq. The first one- France's biggest oil company Total just signed $50 billion deal with Saddam. In the opinion of the US oil experts it's the biggest and the most loopsided (in favor of France) deal they've seen. They felt that the $$$ difference amounts to Saddam bribing the French government to support Iraq in the UN. The second was about a $36 billion contract with the Russian firm Lukoil to restore Iraq's oil infrastructure. Iraq cancelled the deal after Russia began supporting US in December. So now Russian oppose war in hopes of getting these monies back. I believe Saddam had similar deals with Germany. All of these deals will be cancelled by the new Iraqi government. Can you say "No more Iraqi blood for French oil" ??? Anyone wants to comment on the US "War Mongering"???????
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