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#1 08-24-2003, 08:08 AM

justice served in a few short months!

there really IS honor among theives!

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a fellow inmate used his bare hands to strangle the convicted child molester "Father John" in prison over the weekend.

#2 08-24-2003, 11:34 AM

Yup, the loser had it coming. CNN sure is having their fun with it as well.

Snibble · #3 08-24-2003, 02:58 PM

true he was a loser.. what he did was shameful and embarassing to the catholic community... but murder is not something I wish on anyone. True justice is done by God once one's time on earth is done.

kerry · #4 08-24-2003, 03:07 PM

It's hard to consider that justice. Are you seriously suggesting that the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for his crimes? What kind of criminal justice system do we have when we can't assure that criminals serve out their given sentences?

engatwork · #5 08-24-2003, 03:51 PM

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What kind of criminal justice system do we have

I sometimes wonder.

I have attached a link to a recent trial of the man that was sherrif of the county where I grew up. I have known him for 35+ years and he was a fine, outstanding individual that had committed his life to law enforcement. The county could not have had a better sheriff. Anyway, he slapped a fella he had in custody because the guy was not showing any remorse and now he may serve prison time. The people in the county hated to see this. He was tried at the next county over. This kind of stuff is not right in my opinion. He will be a "target" in prison.

http://www.macon.com/mld/telegraph/6597580.htm

MTI · #6 08-24-2003, 04:50 PM

So, there are some that agree that two wrongs make a right? sigh . . .

kerry · #7 08-24-2003, 05:10 PM

I'm confused. Are you saying it is ok for God to kill someone for molesting someone but not ok for humans to do it?

420SEL · #8 08-24-2003, 05:19 PM

I don't think this is a case of two wrongs making a right at all. Its one wrong and one right that came too late.

MTI · #9 08-24-2003, 06:02 PM

. . ah, now the debate about "self determination" and "god's will" comes into play . . .

So which commandments can be broken if it's "god's will" and how will anyone ever know? Grow up folks, there was child abuse and there was manslaugher/murder, not a "vengeful god" in this multiple trajedy. If there was indeed a mercifcul god, how did he allow "his" clergy to commit the crime in the first place? There was no act of diety in any of this and if it was, why would you want to be part of that religion?

#10 08-24-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by kerry edwards
It's hard to consider that justice. Are you seriously suggesting that the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for his crimes? What kind of criminal justice system do we have when we can't assure that criminals serve out their given sentences?

Kerry, i'll be the first one here to say that I really don't care for children. I find them rather annoying, and downright dangerous as they run amok in stores while stupid parents pretend not to notice in fear of getting busted by some do-gooder for disciplining them in public.

I also live pretty much in paranioa of them as well. I am not married, live alone, and keep to myself in terms of goings on within the neighbourhood. That is my choice. All it takes is one looking for a bit of attention to seal your doom in the criminal system. So, consequently I am the mean neighbour that LOUDLY runs off any child that sets foot on my property without their parent in tow. I won't even watch over my neighbours granddaughter, and we are the types of friends who just walk in each others houses at will.

That said, I would NEVER want to see ANYONE destroy a childs innocence. The children that that POS "preacher" PERMANENTLY ruined their lives must live with the damage that the "preacher" did to them with his behaviour.

Somehow I don't understand why it is OK for somebody to "do a bit of time and walk free" after the DELIBERATE destruction of another human being. In the case of a pedophile, it may not be murder, but the damage is damn near as permanent.

kerry · #11 08-24-2003, 08:20 PM

I agree that events in young childhood have permanent effects, or at least long lasting effects, but I'm not sure how this proves his crimes were particularly heinous. I'm curious about the evidence that sexual molestation of children has a worse effect on children than telling them they will go to hell for lying or suffer damnation for not believing a specific religious doctrine. I'm not even sure if the effects of child molestation are worse than the effects of having a particularly mean and uncaring parent for which no one suffers a prison term. In other words, I think he did bad things, but there were probably other bad things he did which may have had an equally long term effect. His ultimate crime was two-faced hypocrisy.

In any case, Socrates was correct. Things are good or bad totally independent of the divinity. It is bad to have a prison system in which criminals inflict their own views of justice onto other prisoners independent of a publically accountable system of punishment. It's not civilized.

#12 08-24-2003, 08:44 PM

I’m not a fan of the death penalty or lawlessness, but this guy had it coming.

kerry · #13 08-24-2003, 09:20 PM

What I said was that I am not aware of any evidence that pedophilia has any worse long term effects than other things in childhood such as bad parenting or right wing religious dogma, all of which have a big impact on the kind of people we become as adults.
The reason I brought up religious dogma is because I happen to encounter the adult effects of that dogma quite frequently in my profession.
It is possible that child molestation does have a worse effect but I think that our culture generally views it as heinous independent of any evidence which compares it to other childhood events and their effects on our adult lives.

kerry · #14 08-24-2003, 10:01 PM

I agree he was a rotten bastard. He was either a weak human being unable to live a life consistent with his public principles or he just used religion to satisfy his own selfish ends. I think he deserved jail time because he systematically undermined the ability of many children to make free and thoughtful decisions about their own (sexual) lives.
He did not deserve the death penalty for this.

The irony is that many religious people undermine children's ability to make free and thoughtful decisions about other parts of their lives thru the use of metaphysical threats yet they are generally not considered bad

I have no idea whether the social approval given to religious people coercing children with metaphysical threats can lead a person to think it is ok to use children in other ways also. Our local pedophile was also a man of the (non-catholic) cloth.

#15 08-24-2003, 10:55 PM

Does anyone know if the person that murdered him in prison was at all related to or knew any of the people he committed the criminal acts to?
Thanks
Tim