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Old 07-15-2017, 10:21 PM
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What has health care to do with politics in general? It is pretty well established that people will get sick and need medical care.

Making it affordable or as cheap as humanly possible for every citizen is what people have governments for theoretically. Governments have an obligation towards their populations.

Especially when for all practical purposes something is out of control basically. Then when they even refuse to step in and aid in correcting things.

Perhaps a person should ask themselves just what is going on. The issue is not sociolisim or any ideology. Or left versus right.

It is a serious need to have properly addressed. Both parties seem to have little interest other than tweaking a very serious issue for many citizens. Of course those in power have their posteriors health care well covered. Probably at taxpayers expense as well.

If the general welfare of the overall citizens is for all practical purposes ignored. What exactly is the government involved in otherwise? Primarily only catering to the rich?

After all they have been doing very well for the last 25 years in comparison to the general population. So much so in fact it is a major economic distortion to the general economy now.

This American health care cost has been a hot potato for as long as I have been a site member. Even though I am just a Canadian neighbor there really has not been that much improvement observed. Now they even want to cut back in areas like medicade. At a time when costs are increasing and more money is needed to service even the existing program.

Your government has actuaries that like ours know the costs are going to rise faster than inflation and have already been doing so for years. Yet the American politicians never mention this in general. They should give the public a cold shower by telling them the truth.

A large enough percentage of the population will not be able to afford any coverage basically at all soon enough. I would put that time frame at about ten years from now. . Health care systems and the prescription drug empire are acting like monopolies in America. Not good ones unfortunately. Monopolies are illegal in a free enterprise system yet for all practical purposes that is what health care systems are in America.

I know it is convention to lie before being elected. Trump lied unfortunately in a very serious area. When he told the population they would have a good cheaper great health care system that covered everyone. Plus he was going to get the prescription drug empire issue addressed.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:14 PM
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Sounds like Ron Johnson is a bit ticked off at McConnell about his comments about Medicaid.

https://thinkprogress.org/third-republican-senator-lashes-out-at-mcconnell-f3ea8b5efce8

Johnson might be the one who sinks 45 care.

Anyone else notice that 45 is being awfully quiet about his health care reform promise? I wonder if he has finally come to the realization that repeal of ACA is not going to happen and replacement of ACA with what ever ideas he had are even less likely.

I wonder if the time McCAin is giving McConnell will allow him to pull this one off.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:47 PM
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Sounds like Ron Johnson is a bit ticked off at McConnell about his comments about Medicaid.

https://thinkprogress.org/third-republican-senator-lashes-out-at-mcconnell-f3ea8b5efce8

Johnson might be the one who sinks 45 care.

Anyone else notice that 45 is being awfully quiet about his health care reform promise? I wonder if he has finally come to the realization that repeal of ACA is not going to happen and replacement of ACA with what ever ideas he had are even less likely.

I wonder if the time McCAin is giving McConnell will allow him to pull this one off.
45 is silent about his plan because he has NO plan. Like everything else so far, he is just smoke and mirrors. In fact, one might surmise 45's only plan is to reverse everything that his predecessor put in place. Not hard to be president when that's all you have to do...even an orangutan could do it...oh wait. Never mind!
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:55 PM
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Sounds like Ron Johnson is a bit ticked off at McConnell about his comments about Medicaid.

https://thinkprogress.org/third-republican-senator-lashes-out-at-mcconnell-f3ea8b5efce8

Johnson might be the one who sinks 45 care.

Anyone else notice that 45 is being awfully quiet about his health care reform promise? I wonder if he has finally come to the realization that repeal of ACA is not going to happen and replacement of ACA with what ever ideas he had are even less likely.

I wonder if the time McCAin is giving McConnell will allow him to pull this one off.
So far I'm batting 1,000.00 in my prediction that no HC bill is passed in '17. They're all a bunch of fools on this repeal & replace strategy and I still don't think they will go nookular & do a repeal now & replace later. And the Senate is the chamber where the thoughtful, deliberative folks live? LOL.

They spent the last seven years painting the landscape with repeal & replace. Now their asses are backing up to the Rio Grande River and they're about to go Kerplunk. Deservedly so.

Watch Trump turn on these guys when no deal is reached.....forgetting all his boastful promises during the campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mcN0zweQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ff8ZRqAuQ0
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:59 PM
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So far I'm batting 1,000.00 in my prediction that no HC bill is passed in '17. They're all a bunch of fools on this repeal & replace strategy and I still don't think they will go nookular & do a repeal now & replace later. And the Senate is the chamber where the thoughtful, deliberative folks live? LOL.

They spent the last seven years painting the landscape with repeal & replace. Now their asses are backing up to the Rio Grande River and they're about to go Kerplunk. Deservedly so.

Watch Trump turn on these guys when no deal is reached.....forgetting all his boastful promises during the campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mcN0zweQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ff8ZRqAuQ0
45 may try to forget it but I think the voters may not be as forgiving.
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Old 07-17-2017, 04:06 PM
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I wish he would turn on them "Campaign Style".
Than, everybody would cry, "Oh he is so not presidential".
Besides, he now gets to find out how "powerful" those useless buffoons on the Hill really are.
They'll call him mentally unstable and attempt to impeach him.

Bottomline, it's an incompetent and useless monkey circus.
This soviet style, all-controlling healthcare debacle must be an incredible cash cow for this government. Else, they would let it go in a heartbeat.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:37 PM
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I wish he would turn on them "Campaign Style".
Than, everybody would cry, "Oh he is so not presidential".
Besides, he now gets to find out how "powerful" those useless buffoons on the Hill really are.
They'll call him mentally unstable and attempt to impeach him.

Bottomline, it's an incompetent and useless monkey circus.
This soviet style, all-controlling healthcare debacle must be an incredible cash cow for this government. Else, they would let it go in a heartbeat.
Monkey circus with the biggest ape himself running the show. Trump dwarfs King Louie.
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Trump is silent and will wait until the congress fails and then blast them.

Republicans are against healthcare and education only because they are expensive.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:46 PM
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Trump is silent and will wait until the congress fails and then blast them.
I hope he's going to blast them real good, but it's probably not going to happen.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:49 PM
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Monkey circus with the biggest ape himself running the show. Trump dwarfs King Louie.
I am very un-impressed by the generic Trump smear rubbish that keeps going around.
My firm belief is, individuals or institutions who continuously engage in such efforts are, for the most part dumber than their targets.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:52 PM
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I hope he's going to blast them real good, but it's probably not going to happen.
Trump is doing so little to support the GOP health care plan. After the upcoming implosion of round 3, will he have the testes to whirl around and castigate those Republicans who didn't drink Mitch McConnell's tasty new Kool-Aid recipe?
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:00 PM
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The current GOP HC bill is a bunch of baloney anyways. I state that sight unseen.
What is Trump going to do? The bill is probably a mere ObamaCare 2.0

He laid out a concept during the campaign, congress is not following thru with it.
As far as I can see, they even rejected Ted Cruz' amendment for private healthcare plans being available besides government supported plans.

It's up to congress, whether they want to do something for the people or not.
Esp. Democrats, those useless, worthless parasites, are not doing anything whatsoever.
Oh wait! They keep cranking the Russian collusion theme. How pathetic & disgusting they are.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:05 PM
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I am very un-impressed by the generic Trump smear rubbish that keeps going around.
My firm belief is, individuals or institutions who continuously engage in such efforts are, for the most part dumber than their targets.
Hold onto these sentiments as once this buffoon is run out of office and replaced by someone who likely won't be a candidate of your liking, you'll need them. As for me, last November couldn't have worked out any better. Both Trump and Hillary represent the worst of our country and both are experiecing karma. The sooner we're done with this chapter in our history the better we will be.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:08 PM
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The current GOP HC bill is a bunch of baloney anyways. I state that sight unseen.
What is Trump going to do? The bill is probably a mere ObamaCare 2.0

He laid out a concept during the campaign, congress is not following thru with it.
As far as I can see, they even rejected Ted Cruz' amendment for private healthcare plans being available besides government supported plans.

It's up to congress, whether they want to do something for the people or not.
Esp. Democrats, those useless, worthless parasites, are not doing anything whatsoever.
Oh wait! They keep cranking the Russian collusion theme. How pathetic & disgusting they are.
What concept did he lay out during the campaign? He merely promised he would repeal and replace Obamacare with something "just wonderful" but he did not provide any further details. Unless you heard differently?!?
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:14 PM
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What concept did he lay out during the campaign? He merely promised he would repeal and replace Obamacare with something "just wonderful" but he did not provide any further details. Unless you heard differently?!?
You should have paid attention. He clearly indicated a direct market system.
But that's not in their interest. For 1 simple reason: They wouldn't have control over this big, fat cash cow. That's the only reason, why they are not letting it go.

Just look at those Democrats. Completely useless, sucking up taxpayer Dollars.

You guys just love to be fixated on Trump. That's all.
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