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Old 08-01-2017, 09:57 PM
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Wouldn't a 74-year-old retired American also be on a public health plan, aka Medicare?

Also, outside the obvious, Oxfordshire is fairly rural. Could this be more due to a rural/urban divide? Americans in rural areas also often don't get high-quality care.

NHS in UK gives a choice of GPs. She should see someone other than her current hack doctor.
True Dat. Medicare would cover but the difference is the system, not the payment. An NHS almost requires prioritization of treatment.

She lives in Faringdon. It is not the boonies. Near to Oxford and about 100 miles to London as I recall.

Also true that I agree she should bounce that quack she is seeing. Change comes slowly to 74yo schoolteachers.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:59 PM
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Its not expensive either. Dont know why you throw falsehoods out like that.

"Catastrophic health insurance plans have low monthly premiums and very high deductibles. They may be an affordable way to protect yourself from worst-case scenarios, like getting seriously sick or injured. But you pay most routine medical expenses yourself."
How are high deductibles not expensive?
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Old 08-01-2017, 10:30 PM
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They keep you from losing it all like you stated earlier. They can be planned for
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:03 AM
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High deductibles are CHEAP!!!

(Cheap or expensive are a qualitative assessment. Solely dependent on POV).
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:23 AM
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Compared to paying it all.
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:51 AM
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Met a car salesman the other day. He recently dropped out of medical school due to the fact that as a doctor, Obamacare would pay him zip. He changed his major to finance.
A used car salesman walks into a bar...
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:53 AM
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we don't need medical schools, we need death panels. oh, wait.....isn't that coming?
That is exactly what the insurance companies will be when they are allowed to remove coverage for existing conditions and jack up the rates for elderly.

Or maybe you were speaking rhetorically and were not actually trying to see the obvious truth facing us under every republican plan presented so far?
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:22 AM
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Free or equal distribution is not a free market. Thats welfare. Most can plan for health needs. Some do not. Ignored options don't equate to socialism as a solution.

Throw congress into the general populations healthcare options and most of these issues will be hastily solved

Get those that need help to churches and other help sources. Take care of the military during and after service and a lions share would be helped. Cant save everyone.
Seems to boil down to what do you think the government should be doing for its people.

I believe that taking care of it's people should be job one.
Employers providing health insurance is ridiculous.
Remove that stranglehold from employers and put the burden on the federal government.
Assuming that people should be able to 'save' for their health care is ludicrous. In our system it's insurance or nothing. There is no other viable option... except for being incredibly wealthy

Trying to provide health 'insurance' for people while preserving the profit motive for insurance companies is never going to work.
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:24 AM
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Medical costs are artificially high due to government meddling and regulation.
I believe this to be inaccurate.

Medical costs are artificially high due to profit motive at every turn.
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:37 AM
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The prior arrangement proved to be a machine of innovation prior to being choked by regulation.

ACA is working according to you? If its so good why the gunpoint membership?
One system for all is the best way to get a real solution.
Leaving out those who cannot afford care is what happens when the system is rigged to provide profit.
Allowing people to opt out runs counter to any 'insurance' model I've ever seen

Remove the profit motive and the insurance companies, put everyone into a place where they can get not only coverage of conditions, but preventative care and education so they have a shot at staying healthy.
It will take a while to get the system running and functioning well, but maybe we could postpone a a few new bombers until we pay our way through the transition....
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:41 AM
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What other insurance policy covers re-existing conditions?
Many, just not if you tell.
If your house has faulty wiring that you don't know about from when it was built, your insurance will still pay when it burns down.

However, your point highlights the fact that the insurance model will never be the most effective way to provide healthcare for citizens.
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:21 PM
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What other insurance policy covers re-existing conditions?
Auto, for every time you have another accident
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Old 08-03-2017, 05:31 PM
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Many, just not if you tell.
If your house has faulty wiring that you don't know about from when it was built, your insurance will still pay when it burns down.

However, your point highlights the fact that the insurance model will never be the most effective way to provide healthcare for citizens.
I think what you describe is an act of fraud.

Define effective.
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:05 PM
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I think what you describe is an act of fraud.

Define effective.
fraud by who?
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:09 PM
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Seems to boil down to what do you think the government should be doing for its people.



I believe that taking care of it's people should be job one.

Employers providing health insurance is ridiculous.

Remove that stranglehold from employers and put the burden on the federal government.

Assuming that people should be able to 'save' for their health care is ludicrous. In our system it's insurance or nothing. There is no other viable option... except for being incredibly wealthy



Trying to provide health 'insurance' for people while preserving the profit motive for insurance companies is never going to work.


The government is owned by us. "Its people" is incorrect and telling.

People should buy their own insurance. From a free and competitive market. The crooks and gougers will fail without lobbyists.

People should shop around for better rates from docs and insurance.

Lobbyists, greasy politicians and an uninformed populace is why single payer looks good. A closer look always shows its inherent flaws
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