There are plenty of people interested in turbo/supercharger setups for the 2.0, 2.3, 2.6 and 3.0 engines; but perhaps we could have some general suggestions for what sort of mild engine work these engines are likely to respond to, for gains of ~10-20 bhp as opposed to 50+, aside from exhaust or a cold air intake.


I don't really want to spend any money on parts, but I do have access to a fully equipped workshop and friends with a historic race car preparation workshop & machine shop. I also may have some top end work soon (chain/tensioner.. valve stem seals). So what would it make sense to get done cheaply, easily and reliably using these facilities? This is my daily car and I don't intend to go drag racing or anything, just make those 1996cc's work a little harder for me .

thanks

Russell

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190E's:
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for a 190e 2.0, the quickest increase HP is to install a late(after 87) 2.3 engine that makes 130HP. A good used engine with fresh valves & rings would make a 25HP increase over the 2.0!

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Hmm good point I'd forgotten about that..

The 130bhp 2.3 is only 8 bhp up on the my euro 2.0 injection though, so not much of a gain for some reasonably major work . But the extra torque would be welcome.

Any other suggestions guys? Surely our combined knowledge of tuning such solid, well-engineered engines can't end at forced induction and engine swaps! That would be terribly sad!

I am aware, though, that 122bhp from 2.0 litres and 8 valves isn't a bad figure at all back in the '80s, likewise 188bhp from 3.0 litres and 12 valves in the M103 so maybe it's asking too much. The problem with six-cylinder/V8 engine swaps is finding another engine anything like as good as mine, then changing the brakes/suspension etc, a new transmission, which all = £££, and still it won't have the handling/ride balance it did before.


I just want something fun to think about to make taking the engine apart that much more exciting!!

thanks

Russ (prays)

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

Schrick makes performance cams for the M102, and Bekkers used to have headers. I've heard the cams really only give you a few more hp in the top end and can actually take away from the bottom end. The headers may only add a few hp as well. I think with the cams, headers, and a large-bore exhaust, you may add 15-20hp in the top end.

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might shave the head and while you're at the valves go ahead and open them up, and then the cam would be more beneficial. Maybe shave the crank too. I'm not sure how safe that is though, perhaps a full engine balance? But it's probably pretty good anyway. Personally, if I had good access to all that stuff and a little extra cash, I'd go all out. Screwing up a 2.0 isnt too bad. And if it failed I wouldn't mind just upping to a 16-Valve. Ohhh, and definitely a tornado in the intake hose.

I would port & polish your head with aftermarket cams and a header. It will give you good hp.





Tornado? I hope your kidding.

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Well I guess it could certainly be done... though I'd end up with some sort of bizarro German beast from hell creation, a stock 1986 Mercedes with a highly tuned snorting four connected to a four-speed auto on standard brakes, soft suspension and slooow steering! And I'm not sure how the tuneability of K-jet, fuel mileage and reliability would affect things/be affected .

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

On the 2.3 engine I was quoting SAE rated USA spec horsepower & you are using DIN ratings. The DIN rated 2.3 8-valve engine makes 136HP & with a little work will make 140-145 DIN hp and that is 20-25 more than the 2.0 that is in your car now! With a bit of compression & a good exhaust system you will have a 20% increase in power by installing a rebuilt 2.3 with a few tweeks!

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Doc what kind of work? I have a 1986 2.3 8V and would love to be able to just get a few more ponies out of her. Since I have the 8:1 Compression and only 120Hp in mine!

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1986 190E 2.3 Black, Auto, Mods to come soon.....

The 1987 & later USA cars have 9/1 compression & make 130 HP SAE! The biggest change is PISTONS!

I raced one of those engines for 3 years & we were making 165HP with only 9.5/1 compression & free flowing exhaust. I did use euro spec(USA reground to euro) cam with adjustable rocker arms!

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What are the specs on the Euro M102 cam vs. that of the US ?