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Old 12-14-2004, 07:08 PM
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What is the trick to remove the tumbler?

I spent almost 2 hours and still could not pull out the tumbler. Here what I did, I turned the key to 1 Position, put the tool inside the two holes, I flet I pressed down the spring and pulled the tumbler at the same time. No matter how hard I pulled, the tumbler would not come out. I have some idea how to do the job. Are there any other tricks? Thanks.
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:31 PM
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You have to turn the black "surround" section around the tumbler. Do you already have your new one? If you do you can see the mechanism that "unlatches" when you press the release. Once the mechanism is unlatched the black surround part should turn counterclockwise while pulling out on the tumbler. Once you have it out it is intuitively obvious how it works.
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Old 12-14-2004, 07:36 PM
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you can find even more with a search

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Old 12-14-2004, 08:31 PM
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very very confused

Thanks all. Another 30 mins. hard worked. No luck. Engatwork, I am even more consfused. You means I need to turn the black rubber cover while I am pulling the tumbler, I have the new tumbler (only the sliver part), there is a black spring, the goal is put the tool into the tunnel to press down the black sping so I can pull the tumbler staight out. If the spring not all the way pressed down, the tumbler could not be pulled out. There is possible the spring not all the way pressed down. But how can I mak sure the spring is all the way down???
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Old 12-15-2004, 05:56 AM
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There is possible the spring not all the way pressed down
I always practice on the new tumbler. It takes a little "feel" to tell.
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Old 12-16-2004, 01:25 AM
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Another day of hard work, The tumbler still could not be pulled out. Why??? Help me please. Thanks.
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Old 12-16-2004, 05:52 AM
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What size wire are you using? (or do you have the real McCoy tool) When I did this proceedure, I started with 14 guage copper Romex household wire but was not successful until I switched to 12 guage. When I got the tumbler out, I could tell that the 14 guage wire was working its way UNDER the spring instead of OVER it.
The point I'm getting at is that the wire size is important, and so is the angle on the end of the wire.

Good luck. Post back with results.

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Old 12-16-2004, 10:43 AM
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Coat hanger wire is about the right gauge wire.

If you made your own tool, did you cut/file the ends into the correct shape?

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Old 12-16-2004, 07:33 PM
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Some coat hanger wire is too thick. That's what just happened to me right now when I tried. I found some steel wire that worked fine. Give me a minute and I will write you up a nice post.
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Old 12-16-2004, 07:49 PM
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Here are some instructions:






1. Here is the key in the ignition


2. This is how the key should line up so that you can insert the wire into the slots in the lock barrel


3. Here is the slot on the other side


4. This is the steel wire I used. I just cut a piece and made a "U" shape


5. This is the steel wire being inserted into the ignition


6. Here it is coming out


7. Here it is apart


I hope this helps you.
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Old 12-16-2004, 07:49 PM
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Hi all, I tried 12 and 14 gauge wire, coat hanger wire was too big for the channel. I studied the cd and forum again and did the work today, failed again!! It seems to me the black rubber wrapped around the tumbler would not let the tumbler out. First, what is that black rubber? Second, in order to pull out the tumbler, do I need to remove the rubber? Please help me out to finish the project. (I thought it was a easy Task!!!).
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Old 12-16-2004, 07:49 PM
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Did you look at my post? http://www.peachparts.com/shopfor...ghlight=tumbler
I typed out the directions from the shop manual, with comments from me.

Excerpt: "Note: the releasing wire of 2 mm steel wire is self made according to the specified dimensions. Straight length of wire = 300 mm. (Make two bends 20 mm apart to form a U. Grind the tips to a 70 degree angle, inside angle (the tips of the angle grinds are on the outside of the U)(Stiff, but not too fat coat hanger wire might just work. If not, get some good stiff wire.)"
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Old 12-16-2004, 08:53 PM
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One problem after another!!!

Lino, great pics. thank you very much. Now, I know I have to remove the black rubber (called lock barrel sleeve) first, but how? I broke my screwdriver with that, I tried to pry it out, failed. Go back to step 1: I need to remove the panel in order to make some room to work with. The problem : The black plastic around the head light switch would not pop out, if I force it, it will break for sure. I have to get rid of the black plastic in order to unscrew the panel. Any more step by step instructions?? it is driving me nut!!

D2bernhard: Question about your link step #4 , I want to know how you removed the black covering cap (lock barrel sleeve ?), Did the tumbler and the cap came out together ? Did you remove the cap first?
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Old 12-16-2004, 09:24 PM
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newkid,
I feel your pain. I worked and worked trying to get mine out of my 300SD and failed. I had lots of expert advice and felt like I just was too dense to get it. Soooooooo I took her to the dealer and low and behold the first certified mechanic could not get it out and he had to go and get the "master". He was in there about 10 seconds and out it came.
Keep trying, I really think it is a matter of getting everything in the right place and sequence and applying enough pressure
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Lino, great pics. thank you very much. Now, I know I have to remove the black rubber (called lock barrel sleeve) first, but how? I broke my screwdriver with that, I tried to pry it out, failed. Go back to step 1: I need to remove the panel in order to make some room to work with. The problem : The black plastic around the head light switch would not pop out, if I force it, it will break for sure. I have to get rid of the black plastic in order to unscrew the panel. Any more step by step instructions?? it is driving me nut!!

D2bernhard: Question about your link step #4 , I want to know how you removed the black covering cap (lock barrel sleeve ?), Did the tumbler and the cap came out together ? Did you remove the cap first?
Is this the piece you are having trouble with?
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