Did MB make a non-interference engines during the 80s?
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All USA versions will BEND valves if the chain breaks!

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That sucks

Should I be worried about the timing chain failure on a 95 OM606 with 108K miles on it?> Good service hist, oil changed regularly

YES, I would have the chain checked for stretch especially if the car was made before August 1994!

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E330D said: Should I be worried about the timing chain failure on a 95 OM606 with 108K miles on it?> Good service hist, oil changed regularly
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I think the general rule for the MB V-8 engine is: the chain, guide rails, and oilers should be replaced every 100K miles or 10 years. Seems the chain rarely fails but the plastic guide rails get brittle and break, dropping into the chain and causing major problems.

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OM denotes "oel motor" or diesel engine in common english. OM606 is the twin cam 3 liter diesel sold in the last year of the W124 here and in the first few years of the 210.

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Good stuff, I did not know what OM stands for.

Anyways I am having the ball joints replaced by a MB tech this weekend, I will ask him about the timing chain stretch. Would anyone suggest how one would go about measuring the strech of the chain? Would the valve cover have to come off? When I open the oil cap, I can see a part of the chain, it really looks clean however is that enough room to measure the strech?

On the OM606 engine there is an alignment hole in the camshaft gear that aligns with a hole in the front cam bearing. At TDC you should be able to install an alignment pin thru the bearing into the cam gear. IF it is MORE than 3deg off a new chain is in order!

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a MB vehicle costs big $$$, and u would think that they would build and non-interface. Or maybe MB just likes making big $$$$ off of the status symbol crazy americans.....



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This chain stretch thing has been discussed many times with no conclusions except for the OM602 and OM603. Now before some smart ass concerned with syntax corrects me by telling me that chains don't stretch, I'm well aware of that. The metal wears, but chain stretch is the vernacular we are all familiar with. That being said, I have researched this subject for many hours looking for specs. I have a large bookcase stuffed with all the factory manuals dating back to when I used to service Gullwings at the dealership. I even have most of the factory service microfich, but have never seen a spec for the V/8s or the 4 and 5 cylinder diesels. I have asked on this forum and never got a response. Gilly and I even discussed it with no definitive answer. The only engines that MB gives specs for are the OM 602, 603. The book says replace the chain at 10 degrees. All the other manuals say to install a new chain if chain wear is beyond the limit, but that limit is never given. I have decided on a bench mark of 10 degrees on the V/8s. If my inspection shoed 8 degrees I would install a new chain, but 10 degrees is the absolute limit. The chain in the 4 and 5 cyl diesels is the same chain for all models and doesn't seem to stretch much if the vehicle is well serviced. I'm convinced that the valve train failure in the V/8s is because that long chain gets to whipping, and snaps off the inside rail on the left bank. The broken piece jams into the cam gear and the chain slips on the clogged gear teeth. The pistons keep going, but the cam doesn't, ergo, bent valves left bank. The problem is complicated by the fact that MB chose to hold the head down with steel bolts into aluminum. They could have used inserts. THe threads generally pull out requiring the installation of 18 heli coils per head. In 86 with the advent of the 420 and 560, they used expensive special bolts that seems to have corrected the problem. Anyway if anyone has comments, feel free.


Peter

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