Does anyone know for sure if any 104 engines in the early 90's were 3.0 liter ? This question arose in determining the value of a 91 300CE. TIA.

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95 SL500 Smoke Silver, Parchment 64K
07 E350 4matic Station Wagon White 34K
02 E320 4Matic Silver/grey 80K
05 F150 Silver 44K

Yes, I believe all 300CE's from 1990-1992 were the 3.0 liter M104 engine.

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Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

Agree, and all 300SLs (U.S.) from 90 to 93 were 3.0 liter 104 motors. The coupes were 104.980 while the SLs were 104.981s.

Agreed with the above. I looked at a '92 300CE a few years back. Neat little engine - redline is 7000RPM. Very different than the later m104 engines, it had a distributor rather than the three coils of the later engines. I would guess it's also lacking the electronic throttle.

- JimY

Thank you all,,,, I guess that settles that.

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95 SL500 Smoke Silver, Parchment 64K
07 E350 4matic Station Wagon White 34K
02 E320 4Matic Silver/grey 80K
05 F150 Silver 44K

Are you looking at buying this car?

Let's see....you have a wagon and a sedan....I guess you'd need a coupe and a convertible to complete the lineup.

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Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

But remember that it had to be a 300CE-24 to be a M104. 300CE with
the M103 was also sold in the same years.

Same rule apply to 300E (M103), 300E-24 (M104) and 300TE (M103), 300TE-24 (M104)

All of them are 3.0L in that timeframe.

Best guess to what you have is to look to see how many cams you have
(1 for M103 and 2 for M104) regardless of badging.

br,
syljua

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1984 230E W123

Sorry I was doing U.S. only. There was a lot of great 103 motor cars that we did not get.

I sure wouldn't pay $8200 for that car, as described. Not anywhere close. A local dealer has a newer, much lower mileage coupe for which he's been trying to get $12K. I looked at it last time I purchased an older Benz - almost 3 years ago. He still has the car. That should tell you how remote a possibility it is of getting $11K for this one.

The combination of chassis & engines we received in the U.S is different, and more restricted, than in Europe. For example, the 124 coupes used only the 3.0 liter m104 through 1992, then changed to the 3.2 liter m104 for the remaining years. The sedans and wagons used the m103 (mostly 3.0 liter, though we did get a few 2.6 liter sedans) through 1992. In 1993 the sedans and wagons all changed to the m104, mostly the 3.2 liter version. In 1993 only we could get a 2.8 liter m104 in the sedan (of which I have a nice example). The one exception to the m104 changeover is that 4matic cars continued to use the m103.

- JimY

I surrendured my California dealer plates earlier this year after 20 years, because of increased insurance and incredibble bond rates. That being said, I think your friend should take the $8200 before the insurance company wises up and changes its mind.

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