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Old 06-01-2006, 12:00 AM
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Yeah, I was careful with the "loom"!
There is a bolt missing tho... holds that plastic cover to the inlet manifold, thats why I was able to lift it up a bit. I will have to find one that fits, and from you helpful pic I can see its a caphead! Good!

Yes, the hoses LOOK ok... but on looking deeper... there seems to be a lot of oil and dirt in that area.... especially where it dropps under, and connects to somewhere down under! Maybe its a good idea to get a new set of hoses.
The one from the air filter housing is slightly cracked/split outside of the clamp on the valve cover... but, I dont think the seal is compromised, and the one from the inlet manifold to the valve cover is really hard... feels aged.

Talking of Alice... is she sluggish from a start... does she bump harshly on engagement of D or R?

Oh, a little piece of this cars puzzle dropped to me from the PO.....
In 1990 or 91 the car was stolen..... from the 1st owner... It was recovered, soon after, and no insurance claim was showing on the carfax, but the owner refused to drive it, saying that it had been "violated".... thats why the car was off the radar from 1990 until 2002 and only covered 10,000 miles in 12 years... probably that 10,000 was done in 1991, as the first 2 years from 88 to 90, it did 18,000!
Also, I was also shocked to see that the list price of this car was $49,895 in 1988!
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Old 06-01-2006, 08:51 AM
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Yeah, I was careful with the "loom"!
There is a bolt missing tho... holds that plastic cover to the inlet manifold, thats why I was able to lift it up a bit. I will have to find one that fits, and from you helpful pic I can see its a caphead! Good!

Yes, the hoses LOOK ok... but on looking deeper... there seems to be a lot of oil and dirt in that area.... especially where it dropps under, and connects to somewhere down under! Maybe its a good idea to get a new set of hoses.
The one from the air filter housing is slightly cracked/split outside of the clamp on the valve cover... but, I dont think the seal is compromised, and the one from the inlet manifold to the valve cover is really hard... feels aged.

Talking of Alice... is she sluggish from a start... does she bump harshly on engagement of D or R?

Oh, a little piece of this cars puzzle dropped to me from the PO.....
In 1990 or 91 the car was stolen..... from the 1st owner... It was recovered, soon after, and no insurance claim was showing on the carfax, but the owner refused to drive it, saying that it had been "violated".... thats why the car was off the radar from 1990 until 2002 and only covered 10,000 miles in 12 years... probably that 10,000 was done in 1991, as the first 2 years from 88 to 90, it did 18,000!
Also, I was also shocked to see that the list price of this car was $49,895 in 1988!
Wow
Yes, I have a copy of the original sticker price. That was one expensisve puppy. Even more expensive, in today's dollars, I think, than the current E-wagons.

The tranny shifts into D or R were a bit rough. It was vacuum hoses causing it. But you may also want to check the flex discs (there are two one where the tranny meets the drive shaft and one where the drive shaft meets the differential). Fairly inexpensive to R&R but can cause rough engagement of D and R AND it can have disastrous consequences if they fail at highway speed. Their failure can (will) cause the airbag to deploy...not fun while cruising at 60 mph. Do a search here on flex discs -- most people treat them as regular maintenance items.

So yours was stolen at her early infancy? Well, the thief had good taste. I never had a car stolen, but I imagine that I would have a hard time driving her again....I too would feel violated.

I was kidding about the pics....there is no substitute for seeing it "live."

I have to sign up with photobucket or some similar system so I can post bigger pics here and nothave toreduce them in size. I have a Canon Rebel digital SLR camera an I love taking digi pics.

Well, gotta go. Keep us posted on your wagon...er, sorry...estate's progress.

Have you named her yet?
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Old 06-01-2006, 10:29 PM
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Dumb Dumb Dumb

Ok, so I buy a Sears multimeter with duty cycle....
Figure out how to connect it....
Its reading 85% ish.... hot.
Figure I can adjust it down a bit... to 70%ish....
Put in the allen wrench...push down... turn it a bit... one way..... no difference.....
Turn it a bit more.... and a bit more.....
Engine stalls.
Now it wont start!
Cant remember which way I turned it!
:Thumps head... shuts hood and goes indoors:
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:55 AM
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Duty cycle... and stupid me.

Gonna post a new one... for ideas
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Uh-O!
Ok, I overcame the duty cycle issue as I posted in another post....
The car was running pretty much as before...
Today, on the way to work, I saw a warning light flash.
I watched carefully over the next mile, and I saw the ABS, SRS and CE light come on.... almost in sequence!
At one point the ABS light came on while I braking, and I felt the pedal pulse.
It did this several times and then stopped doing it????
At lunch, the car started and ran fine.
On the way home in the evening, it ran fine again, but I did see the ABS light flash twice.
I stopped the car for about 15 mins and when I came out, it would not start!
Tried, let it cool, tried again, until the battery was near dead... nothing!
I left it there and got a ride home.
I read that the flashing lights are a classic OVP failure pointer.... I removed the OVP, but it still would not start.
I did notice that the fuel pumps come on for a few seconds and then stop... is that normal?
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:38 AM
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Merkey:

I am sorry that you are having all of these problems with the wagon. This all goes beyond the stalling issue that the PO had warned you about.

The CE light could be related to a bad O2 sensor. I looked in Stu Ritter's E-Class Onwer's Bible. Under ABS it lists a couple of possible reasons for the light going on and off. One possible reason is the alternator not fully charging. It sugests that you check alternator output.

Another potential explanation for the ABS light going on and off is: "...electrical consumers switching on and off causing battery voltage to drop below the ABS threshold of 10.5v." The book also suggests looking at the OVP -- which you had already mentioned.

Again, I am sorry about all of these problems with the 300TE. My 300TE is running great...except that it has now developed a knocking/pinging sound under hard acceleration and when the engine is running hot. I am going to try a can (or two) of Moly Valve Cleaner. I may also fill up at a different gas station

If this does not work, then I may check the engine's lean mixture. In the old days you could change the engine timing (I still have my timing strobe some place around the garage). I don't think, however, that the timing is adjustable in these engines

Not to hijack the thread, but if anyone has any other suggestions on the pinging/knocking issue, I'd appreciate reading those suggestions.
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Thanks for the input LGB,
Dont worry about the problems, if I had paid 15 or 20K for it I would be upset, but I didnt, and I knew going in that there was some issues. At $3k and 64,000 miles in 18 years, I expect some problems!
EVERYONE who has seen and been in the car is SO impressed.
I am not too concerned, I have a 87 Suburban that is on its 3rd paint job @ $2k a pop, so spending a bit of money on a BEAUTIFUL Benz with so few miles and a great body is cake. My son is not driving it yet, so lets get the issues over and done with before he does!

Yep, the OVP is the pricipal suspect for now, so I will order a new one this week, as well as a new fuel filter, idle hoses, and a few other things.
I think the charging is ok, based on the readout I got when I tested it.
Just for fun, I am going to pull the OVP and take it to work, so my electical buddy can test it.
I am looking at the Fuel pump relay also as a possible partner in crime.
Lets see what the meter tells us!
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Well....
I figured out why it let me down..... it was out of gas! Doh!
The guage was reading about a 1/4 and the light was on... so figured it was close.
Saturday, I tried it and it was still not starting... I looked at the gauge, and had a doubt... so put 4 gallons in from my 5 gal can, and after 3 tries, it fired and ran great!
We took it to the gas station and it took 15 gallons... so if it has a 19 gallon tank, I would say that the poor lass was empty dispite the gauge reading 1/4!

The gauge is a little eratic... I will have to look at the sender!

We drove it and we did see the ABS light once, but as before the misfire only appeared when it was fully warmed up.

Oh, anyone have a idea on Sparkplugs?
Two types are listed on the shop....
H9 DCO or
H9 DC.
What is the right ones?
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After much watching and listening.... I am sure we have two very seperate issues.
The stalling and the hot misfire.
The stalling is only and always connected to a sudden ABS/CEL/SRS warning lamp illumination. Mostly a random ABS light first... if you keep driving it will sometimes go back out... Sometimes, if you idle after the ABS lamp comes on it will idle fine... but if you are braking and it comes on the engine will stall.
I saw a interesting combo a few times... ABS and Check Engine Lamp illuminated together and the engine would cycle up and down between 500 and about 800rpm in time with the CEL pulsing brighter and dimmer.
Today I got the new OVP. I just put it on and willl report back in a few days if this helped.
Wish us luck!
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:19 AM
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Merkey:

I had been meaning to check up on you and your son's wagon.

Have you tried the Hall Effect Sensor? It is easy to replace and it does not cost much and it could be the answer to your issue.

My son's wagon has been running fine. I had the flex disks changed as well as the vacuum modulator and the rear tranny seal. The tranny shifts very smoothly now.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that someone hit the car's front left fender...and did not leave a note (what a shock). My deductible is $1,000.00 (it is lower on the other cars) so I am going to have to eat this one.

Oh well...if it is not one thing it is the other.
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Merkey:

I had been meaning to check up on you and your son's wagon.

Have you tried the Hall Effect Sensor? It is easy to replace and it does not cost much and it could be the answer to your issue.

My son's wagon has been running fine. I had the flex disks changed as well as the vacuum modulator and the rear tranny seal. The tranny shifts very smoothly now.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that someone hit the car's front left fender...and did not leave a note (what a shock). My deductible is $1,000.00 (it is lower on the other cars) so I am going to have to eat this one.

Oh well...if it is not one thing it is the other.
hello BENZ-LGB,

do you mean that the hall effect sensor can create stalling?
do you know how it triggers the stalling? and where: on the Fuel pump replay, on the ICU or The ignition unit?
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hello BENZ-LGB,

do you mean that the hall effect sensor can create stalling?
do you know how it triggers the stalling? and where: on the Fuel pump replay, on the ICU or The ignition unit?
The HES is a small electro-magnetic switch that (in the W124) is located on the rear of the instrument cluster, right between the speedo and the tach.

It monitors engine RPM. I believe that when the HES senses that the RPMs are dropping (as when the car is coasting) it sends a signal to the computer (which computer or where in the computer I do not know).

I do not know exactly what triggers the stalling while coasting syndrome (whether the HES sends a spurious signal or whether the HES sends NO signal) I am not exactly sure what the stall trigger is.

What I do know is that a defective HES can cause the stalling-while-coasting syndrome (or SSS as referred to in this post). There is a thread here discussing the SS issue and the poster copied a list of "probable" fixed suggested by M-B. Included in the fix was replacement of the HES.

With my 300TE, my mechanic and I (well, mostly my mechanic, I would just get on the way) attacked the problem by going system by system. He was able to eliminate nearly 95% of the stallling ocurrences. The HES was the final "straw" that fixed (apparently) the problem.

I hope this answers your question.

Below is a link to the thread that I referenced above:

I am having a peculiar stalling problem with my 1988 300E?

Here is a link to the location of the HES and instructions on how to R&R the sensor.

http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Climate/83-675.pdf

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Drove it my normal route today......
No warning lights, no stalling, nothing but a smooth well behaved Benz....
It was hot today too.... hoping with fingers crossed!
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Drove it my normal route today......
No warning lights, no stalling, nothing but a smooth well behaved Benz....
It was hot today too.... hoping with fingers crossed!
Keeping mine crossed for you too...
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Thumbs up Success!

Well........
Looks like the SSS was the OVP!
Driven it two days... got it really hot... No ABS light... no stalling!
I still have a slight misfire when REALLY hot... but I am happy!
Ok, now onto the next problems...
Thanks to all who replied and helped!

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