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Old 06-21-2006, 02:36 PM
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Unfortunatley I don't have any equipment to recharge the AC system.
Plus I don't want to risk messing things up. I did that once when I was in college on my RX 7 Turbo and ended up costing me $1000 to fix that mess.
I understand completely. I'm the last person who would want to incur more expense when something is better off handled by a pro. But trust me when I say this REALLY is a job you can do yourself. Go to Wal-Mart, AutoZone, or whatever you prefer, and pick up a can of refrigerant and a charging hose. The hose is probably $10. Purge the hose of air by opening the tap, then very quickly hook it up to the low side port and leave the can right side up - let it "evaporate" into the system very slowly. Put about 1/3 of the can in and see if your problem doesn't go away. You can tell how much is in there by "feeling" or shaking the can. Do a search here, there is a self-diagnostic mode in the HVAC unit of your car that can tell you all sorts of valuable data. Really, less than $20 and a half hour of your time, and you could have cold air blowing.

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Old 06-21-2006, 02:54 PM
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I understand completely. I'm the last person who would want to incur more expense when something is better off handled by a pro. But trust me when I say this REALLY is a job you can do yourself. Go to Wal-Mart, AutoZone, or whatever you prefer, and pick up a can of refrigerant and a charging hose. The hose is probably $10. Purge the hose of air by opening the tap, then very quickly hook it up to the low side port and leave the can right side up - let it "evaporate" into the system very slowly. Put about 1/3 of the can in and see if your problem doesn't go away. You can tell how much is in there by "feeling" or shaking the can. Do a search here, there is a self-diagnostic mode in the HVAC unit of your car that can tell you all sorts of valuable data. Really, less than $20 and a half hour of your time, and you could have cold air blowing.
I see,
One question, where is the low side port located?
I haven't even tried to look so I have no clue.
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This is interesting. I never would have thought a low charge could cause different-temperature air to flow from the different vents.

The air flows through the evaporator and then out the vents. How does the low charge make the vent temps vary?
I wish I knew the definitive answer to this question. Note that the 210 has dual-zone climate-control, so the left side of the evaporator feeds the left side vents (and the left side of the center vent).

The temperature difference between the two center vents is dramatic when the system is about 6 or 8 oz low. 40F right, 65F left.

I do have a suspicion, though. It's possible that the refridgerant is completely evaporating in the right side of the evaporator when the charge is a bit low. Note that the low-side pressure is regulated by the compressor.

It's also possible that when there is no liquid going to the left side of the evaporator, there is nothing to help carry oil out of it. I suspect that it both get no liquid to evaporate, and holds too much oil in the process.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:57 PM
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I see,
One question, where is the low side port located?
I haven't even tried to look so I have no clue.
On the engine side of the front firewall, close to the brake master cylinder (but on the other side of the firewall). It has a black cap (about 14mm outside diameter) which screws off.

Whatever you do, don't overcharge the system, and make sure that your auxiliary fan works properly before adding refridgerant.
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On the engine side of the front firewall, close to the brake master cylinder (but on the other side of the firewall). It has a black cap (about 14mm outside diameter) which screws off.

Whatever you do, don't overcharge the system, and make sure that your auxiliary fan works properly before adding refridgerant.

Thanks for the info, but now your scaring me
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Yes, to avoid overcharging like I said just put about 1/3 of a can in there. I think a can is 12 oz. so that should be about 4 oz. That's a very small amount. Even if you were to slightly overcharge by a couple oz. it's not going to kill anything. If after 4 oz. you sense there is progress being made, you can proceed with adding a little more, maybe an ounce at a time. The key is to do so VERY slowly, maybe take an hour to do this whole process. And don't turn the can upside down - liquid refrigerant hitting the valves in the compressor will surely kill it. If things appear to be going too slowly, just put the can over the engine where heat will cause it to evaporate more rapidly from the can into the system.
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Also, like I said, do a search on the HVAC self-diagnostic mode. I think you can actually get system pressures in that mode (someone here correct me if I'm wrong). That might be useful in the absence of manifold gauges and might be able to tell you if the charge is low to begin with.
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:30 PM
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Also, like I said, do a search on the HVAC self-diagnostic mode. I think you can actually get system pressures in that mode (someone here correct me if I'm wrong). That might be useful in the absence of manifold gauges and might be able to tell you if the charge is low to begin with.

OK, Looking,

Thanks for all the replies.
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Old 06-21-2006, 07:07 PM
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Yes, the pushbutton unit will tell you the high-side pressure, but it's a pain to go look inside the car to see what it is while charging. It's great while you're driving, though, if you want to know that everything is working as it should. (Note that this is current sensor readout mode, not diagnostic mode.)

With the key in position 2 (engine off or running), hold REST for >5 seconds. Once "1" shows up in the left side of the display, press the left AUTO button until the left side of the display reads "7." The right then shows the high-side pressure.

Momentarily pressing REST again (or turning the key to position 0) reverts to normal operation.
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What is a normal high side pressure reading on say a 90 degree day?
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A reciever/drier is an 80.00 part, to replace probably an hour or two at most, and 250 to evac and recharge. It shouldnt be more than 500.00.. Ask them for a break down of labor and parts.

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