caution to all

[cool]

while a lot of forum members are openly willing to help, suggest, share ideas on most technical issues, lets all be carefull too, I've notice a lot of forum suggestions and ideas can cause more harm than good to individuals with tech problems , hoping that those who are good hearted and have real knowledge on tech issues continue to share their thoughts and precise experience, and for those who try to pretend to know things, may you guys keep your peace and silence and hope you'll learn to stop pretending to know and share wrong ideas. lets all make this forum a truely resourceful site for those who needed professional assistance.

[Surf-n-Turf]

Everybody has different issues with their car. Most of us have gone through common issues previously. But remember, it's not like we can look at each car individually. We might have similar symptoms brought on by different causes. All we can do is offer solutions that helped us fix our problems. Once a while we are spot on, and sometimes we are wrong.

Which ever way, we are suggesting and there is no implied guarantee that what we say will totally fix "your" issue. Research,research,research. Or pay a mechanic to do it for you.

Personally I have saved a crapload of money with these forums.

[brewtoo]

[Kestas]

That's why we're all here - to keep each other honest and catch misinformation. I've been on both sides of this. I can only hope others will catch any misinformation I may inadvertently give.

[raymond~]

This is the Internet....and I take everything with a grain of salt. I'd much rather
get a potpourri of ideas rather than to wait for some corporate line fix (which
also occurs) and can cost hundreds of dollars more. Anyone who follows blindly
be more cautious.

[t walgamuth]

i think there is a lot more help than hurt here.

we all make mistakes but usually it doesn't take long for someone to correct.

myself i am very familiar with the 123 body cars and occasionally will respond to someone with information that is correct for a 123 but not correct for a 124.

when that happens i am soon reminded of it.

and of course that is what i want,

tom w

[TX76513]

Sounds like polite censorship

I believe everyone is aware of the disclaimer on the site and as was written above - it's the internet


MercedesShop.com, LLC takes no responsibility whatsoever for any technical assistance offered by anyone. The Risk is 100% yours.

[Kestas]

Cool, I remember a number of posts where YOU were the one presenting misinformation, and WE had to set things straight. You're preaching to the choir!

Screwed-up ATF Change at dealership, help!

Mixing Dino Oil and Syn to Make Syn Blend, Good Idea?

Most of the time you do a wonderful job contributing information, but your thoughts on lube maintenance are out of line with the rest of us.

[86560SEL]

I agree with Ray.

Originally Posted by raymond~

This is the Internet....and I take everything with a grain of salt. I'd much rather
get a potpourri of ideas rather than to wait for some corporate line fix (which
also occurs) and can cost hundreds of dollars more. Anyone who follows blindly
be more cautious.

[cool]

sorry guys I use the WIS and the Star for information, maybe MB Germany was wrong in sending us the Star diagnosis which indicates what I share in the forum. Again there is a sequence if you really need to change the whoel ATF fluid, you will have to use a special tool and cannot just drain and pour in fluid, be my guest do what you think may be right and who knows its not me whos going to spend to repair. GOOD LUCK GUYS.

[cool]

just to share with you the technical logic , if you drain the whole fluid including the one inside the torque converter, what will happen is it takes time for the new fluid to reach the torque converter and while the TC is running on dry, it starts to break the o rings and the seal specially the piston which woudl be rubbing agaisnt metal parts in the cylinder. I hope this gives you a little better idea why it is so (as per service manual for all electronic tranny) . No bad blood intended, I am here to promote technical ideas and means for a lot of us who cannot or would want to save $ in maintaining MB vehicles. My companies are based oversea, so nothing to loose for me if I share it with the owners of MB in the USA. I live in NY.

[Kestas]

My W124 CD Service Manual (pdf sheet 2702) states this procedure for my 95 E320 (722.369):

1. Drain both pan and torque converter
2. Replace filter
3. Button everything back up
4. Refill with 4 liters fluid
5. Start engine
6. Refill remaining fluid

This procedure is the same for the 89 300E. Cool, are you talking about a change in the procedure since these models came out?

[Arthur Dalton]

<<(as per service manual for all electronic tranny) .>>

The poster does not have an Electronic trans.......
..and suggesting converter/trans failure if he does drain the converter is just bad advice.., period.

About six years ago there was a fellow here who was sort of like a self appointed safety officer. He was quick to point out when suggestions involved unsafe practices.

That said, I would like to add to the spirit of this thread the comment that we should all be careful to, above all things, not suggest unsafe operations in our suggestions. Giving them advice that might screw up their car is one thing. Offering suggestions that might get someone hurt is quite another.

My $0.02,

[Jim Anderson]

I've found that purchased information is only a little better than free information.