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Old 02-22-2007, 04:10 PM
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What are the issues with 722.6 transmission ?

I read several posts reporting problems with the early models of this transmission.
3 questions:

1. What problems ?
2. Can they be fixed on a preventive basis by changing selected parts instead of waiting and praying. Which ones ?
3. My transmission is 722.604 0 01022161. Do we know if there is a serial for the last affected transmissions? Am I in or out?
TIA, Jorge. (praying in the meanwhile)

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Old 02-22-2007, 04:59 PM
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Well if you already have that transmission, I would think that all you should do is service the transmission with proper MB fluid and filter. Seems like consensus is every 50 to 60K miles. That's what I did when I got my '97S320. I also preventatively replaced the part called a spacer, where the wiring plugs into the transmission. Other posts said part was prone to leakage. Cheap part.

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Old 02-22-2007, 06:51 PM
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Steve,
My car has 48K miles. 75% on highways, which are gentle to the car and the transmission in particular (low usage of low gears, low changing and cooler environment)
I already had planned to replace filter+ATF+gasket.
Your point on the spacer comes on very good time as I live in Brazil and will order the part now.
One suggestion: from my research: we may add a magnet to the pan, already present in newer models. Inexpensive and important to keep metalic debris from flowing.
There is a MB P/N for it. (two in fact. the newer is the better)
Thanks!
Jorge
PS: Read something about premature wearing of discs... ??? synchros??? (I am not sure). They were supposedly modernized in recent versions. It will be worthwhile to know if the newer can replace the originals. (on an affordable labour expense)
PS2: Will probably change ATF much sooner than the new consensus. Looks like the cheaper insurance policy one could buy.
PS3: My transmission has a serial number > 1,000,000. If that really means 1 million units I HOPE that the critical versions were left behind.

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Old 02-23-2007, 01:12 AM
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I've been doing about two .6s a month. 97,98,99. 75% of the time it's been the roller bearing failure that takes out the planetary gear. you'll hear the gravel when is starts to go. The planetary gear is so expensive, at that point it's almost a wash to rebuild or buy factory. or gamble on a used. There are updates for that trans.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:34 AM
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This is a precious info !

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I've been doing about two .6s a month. 97,98,99. 75% of the time it's been the roller bearing failure that takes out the planetary gear. you'll hear the gravel when is starts to go. The planetary gear is so expensive, at that point it's almost a wash to rebuild or buy factory. or gamble on a used. There are updates for that trans.
Paul
Paul,
Thats truly VERY GOOD NEWS provided that just changing the bearing prevents the planetary (literally...) tragedy.
2 questions:
1. Would that (bearing change) be expensive? (I mean part+labour)
2. Can you provide us the current P/N ?
Many thanks ! Please think is there would be something else to be carried out preventively.
Jorge
PS: Your testimonial carries another info: the issue was NOT solved in 97 and perhaps a higher serial number means close to nothing.
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:28 PM
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Paul,
Thats truly VERY GOOD NEWS provided that just changing the bearing prevents the planetary (literally...) tragedy.
2 questions:
1. Would that (bearing change) be expensive? (I mean part+labour)
The transmission would need a complete tear-down to replace the one-way rollers. It would be like re-building it now, to prevent having to re-build it later. Not exactly feasible, IMHO.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:02 AM
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Don't forget the weeping seal leading to the ECU, thats probably the most common problem I see on forums.

I'd say overall though its a very reliable transmission.


Paul, can you give an idea on how long this 'gravel' noise will be there before failure? Are we talking a few minutes, or a few weeks? Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:16 AM
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Is this failure lubrication related or simply desgn defect?
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:28 PM
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When did you last check the gearbox oil level?
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:52 AM
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I have builder who does mine on site. from what I can see from the sidelines is that it's a design defect.
a bearing on one end of the pitch shaft doesn't support the shaft enough to prevent the rollers from the bearing on the other end from cutting loose. I say this because the update has a support bushing instead. To my knowlege, the bearing and the whole gear set is an update. The original planetary gear is not available. So yes it would be expensive. Like someone said in an earlier post, just service them on a regular basis. In the early stages I remember hearing a slight gravel noise in reverse when backing slowly.
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:49 AM
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:24 PM
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To my knowlege, the bearing and the whole gear set is an update. The original planetary gear is not available. So yes it would be expensive. Like someone said in an earlier post, just service them on a regular basis. In the early stages I remember hearing a slight gravel noise in reverse when backing slowly.
Paul
Paul,
When you say the parts were updated you mean for the regular 722.6 ? (I mean: if we change the parts on OUR transmission the issue will be in the past)
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Old 02-24-2007, 08:39 PM
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My tech does not bother to rebuild 722.6 trannies. They are available from MB for less money, and have the latest bits and a good warranty.
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:04 AM
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Mine's been standing up to abuse including regular WOT highway-speed downshifts (exercise) for 145k miles.....knock on wood

Fluid/filter every 40k.......yes all electronics and a conductor plate were done under warranty, but the basic mechanical internals are 10 years old and perform flawlessly to this day

If you have one that's defective, I think it would have been evident before now. If you've got over 50k and 5 years on a 722.6, and it hasn't grendaded, you don't have a defective tranny........if it dies at any point after this, it's because YOU didn't maintain it properly
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:18 AM
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If you have one that's defective, I think it would have been evident before now. If you've got over 50k and 5 years on a 722.6, and it hasn't grendaded, you don't have a defective tranny........if it dies at any point after this, it's because YOU didn't maintain it properly
A bit of relief to hear. Mine is all original except the fluid done at 52k when I bought it. Although now it slips once in a blue moon (when cold) from a standing start. It would do it only once a day and its when its still all cold and pulling away.
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