Is this a tumbler problem? They will unlock any entry point, so by logical deduction the key is still good, right? So it has to be a tumbler? Why after 13 years why the key all of a sudden not turn when in the ignition? has the anti-theft mechanism been activated??

the key and tumbler wear out. look closely at yer
key and youll see it worn. try another key. if not then
its time to replace the tumbler.

george

I called benz roadside and they told me that its probly a dead battery.....so how can i test the battery if the key wont turn......the key looks find to me.....despite the fact that i have literally torn the key from the black rubber from turning the key so hard....i am turning the steering wheel so hard and turning the key but it wont go past zero position...........should i try getting a replacement key first at the dealer.....or just get a new tumbler.....

The dead battery diagnosis sounds like a miscommunication of some sort. It's very likely the tumbler, and if it's not the tumbler you're about due for one anyway. They usually come with a new key. You have to order a new one with a dealer giving them your VIN and proof of ownershiop. Turnaround is ususally pretty good, a day or two, and it should be under $100.

I absolutely concur with "deanyel". My ignition went out in '04 on my 92 400E. There is no warning it just freezes or perhaps those times when I thought that the wheel was off center and I held it to turn the key were warnings...hind sight is 20/20. But yeah, just go to the stealer and order the tumbler. May as well order a new one for your drivers door as well. Its probably not far behind...dont ask me how I know

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i will have to have the car towed to the dealer and have them replace the tumblers.....i do not know how to replace the tumblers and this mechanic who claims to be a benz technician wants to "cut" into my dashboard. that does not sound good so I guess I will let the dealer fix it......any idea on how much it would cost??

If you have to go to the dealership on this, they will need proof of ownership.

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1994 E420, 200,000+ miles
1995 E420, 201,000 miles

No way man, that guy's been smoking hash!
Its not that difficult to replace the tumbler. the instructions I believe are her on the forum, or purchase a Bentley Book on the car. The car is 14 years old so it time to get physical with her now. The value on the 400E is low enough that taking the car to the dealer and paying top $$$ really does not good business sense...The job is a snap. You'll have to get a dremel to cut the ring off the tumbler because the key needs to be in position 1 in order for it to snap off....and since the key will not turn...catch 22. BTW the ring is ALMOST indestructible to all things except a dremmel. See past posts on this topic. My advice...Just Do it!....What have you got to loose. It takes about 5-10 minutes to get to the entire lock assy.30 min or so to set up , dremmel, moan , *****, and complain about who the #@%& design this thing this wayand then remove th old part. Then about another 30 to install the new part and package everything back up. If you order one, get two keys.....Not that you'll need one for the next time(14 more years, mine will be long retired) but it'd be good to have a spare in case of loss. Good luck

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Albert
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Go read post #7

I use an orbital palm sander , but anything works.
A little pateience and a light touch..little wd helps too....

You always see the ones with everything but the kitchen sink on their key-ring with the worn tumblers.....too much weight hangin' there...

i just had this same problem. time for a new tumbler. mb would never tell you its something to watch for, they make money on repacements and more when they are really worn. you are lucky the car is somewhere you can work on it. mine did this at home depot. i have heard the sander trick might work. i wasn't so lucky, ( although i did buy a sander and power inverter, no power source except the battery, to try that at the depot and returned it when it didnt work), i had mine towed to an indie and he did te entire replacement for a reasonable price. its nice to have work done at the stealer under warranty but hard to spend the money on a 13 year old car.

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2006 Hyundai Tucson... just straight out FORGOTTEN!

I checked with Duval and they will not sell the tumbler over the Internet. They said you have to personally go to the dealer to show them proof of ownership. I now recall that I replaced my tumbler once about 7 years ago, but now that you've brought the problem to my attention, I think I'm going to do some preventative maintenance before I end up not being able to turn the key and get it out. If my dealer doesn't gouge me, it looks like a fairly cheap fix.

Good luck.

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1994 E420, 200,000+ miles
1995 E420, 201,000 miles

hey guys, first thanks for all your suggestions.....I ordered a brand new key as some suggested it might just be a worn key....and the new key did not work......I played with that steering wheel pretty hard and no turn......BUT here is the confusion......Mercedes Service is telling me that it might not be a tumbler/cylinder issues.....that it perhaps maybe a steering column issues.....can someone please educate me on the difference.....AND should I just have this car towed to the dealer and let them mess with it and fix it or should I go to an outside mechanic who takes the dealers "overflow" work??? I thought that I would also mention that two days before the key would not turn, I had the throttle cable replaced and the distributor caps replaced...all due to low performance.....and then went to have two new tires put in.....SO does this all have a part in this mess or am I just paranoid.........thanks.....

so matbe its the tumbler. does seem like its time to get
it into the shop.

george

jiggled it like crazy for about an hour with a new key and was able to turn it to ignition on not able to engage starter hot wired starter solanoid and drove to friend who had tool to pull tumbler out. You guys are right on the money with all of this info everything being 100% accurate if you must you may have to dremel tool grind it out like posted. good luck i got lucky

Congratulations. I just ordered a new tumbler a few minutes ago from my dealer--just in case. Glad you brought this problem to the limelight. I guess the ignition tumbler is like the engine wiring harness--it's going to bite you sooner or later.

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1993 400E, 256,000 miles (totaled)
1994 E420, 200,000+ miles
1995 E420, 201,000 miles