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well if it does have an OBDII port then I can get a read on it soon.
I'll counter check the shop quote and the car's ECU see if there is any variances. My friend has a PC-enabled OBD-II reader and that should (I say "should" give me quote on what the code is about as well) help me work out the issue. If there is an OBD II port this would be a much more informed bid than I was expecting. |
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Where's the C36 at, and how much do they want for it? If you don't want it, maybe somebody here does.
What color is the exterior and interior? Black/Black, I might take a chance if it goes cheap enough. Worse that could happen is it gets parted out.
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It's in Canada.....
It didn't get sold at the auction and thus is returning to the new car dealership tomorrow I'll try to cut a deal with them. Stay tuned. |
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Guys
Surely the C36 is just like any other E320 (W124 chassis) in terms of electronic engine control. IF it was at auction and the car was started and you rev the engine it WILL NOT rev above 4000 as that is what it is designed to do. So nothing wrong there . However, if it was being driven on the highway and would not rev above 4000then the engine has probably gone into limp-home mode and there would probably be fault codes. The engine wiring harness was probably sorted by that date, but coils can still go. |
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the dealer showed me the car purchase inspection performed by local Mercedes dealer and the result is that
it needs MAS and a lot of cosmetics stuff - which amount to the 4 grand I was talking about. I already secured a brand new MAS for this particular 1997 C36 AMG and it's in my garage chillin'. The new car dealer will bring their car back from auction and sell it to me at a very reasonable price and I'll put the MAS in right away and keep you guys posted. Let's see how this pans out tomorrow. Maybe walking into a booby trap. |
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I guess I have a couple of questions .
What else is wrong that brings the repair estimate up to $4K ..that is quite a jump... ...and do you always buy the parts before you buy the car ?? You might not want to tell the sales-staff about that before price negotiations... Just curious... |
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naw the price was set in stone and all contracts signed before I went out to get the parts.
effectively I no longer own my Subaru so nothing wrong with getting the parts right away. the next large item on the list that's broken is a wiper motor assy - amounts to 600 dollars in parts and 200 dollars in labour water pump was "due" according to mercedes but it's not broken, that's 300 dollar in parts and 500 dollar in labour. and various replacements like tires, oil change and other small maintenances bits add up to the remaining 1G. the issue there is they actually quoted their price asking Mercedes to recondition the car FOR them...... so 4 G is way overkill however you look at it... many things can be DIY or Indie'd. |
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..and again....What else is wrong that brings the repair estimate up to $4K
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uhhhh....
you'd be hard pressed to see more than 10 or 11k for that car on eBay, the mother of all overpriced-ness. you might get 15-17k for a less than 60k spotless example. i've been watching the C36, C43, and C32 fluctuations for over a year now.
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hmmm there's a local C36 sold at 18K just the past week... CDN is almost 1:1 to USD now... CDN used car market is a strange little something something.
Vancouver has the most expensive second hand car market of the whole North America.... If it's local it's going to fetch money - because we have moderate climate (always between -10C to +25C, rarely over or under this range) so paint, engine and interior tend to ...... well not wear out at all. My C36 is a local car bought from a dealership only about 20 minutes away from home, back in 1997. Even at 11K on ebay I still paid a good 2 thousand less than that. So it's no problem really even to use it as a daily driver and watch the price slide down like any other car that you'd buy anywhere else, and I get to drive an AMG with some history significance and outfitted with lots of meat under the hood. sounds like a banging deal to me. Anyway so I drove the car for a whole day, with like 5 hours actually just sitting on that driver's seat and roll in the miles in the city and on freeway making random pulls with people in their funny looking sports cars trying to pass "just another C class" after I switched the MAS to the new unit. One is for the new car joy and two for that i want to verify the accuracy of Mercedes dealers' call to "replace water pump and t-stat" from its purchase inspection. I haven't seen any coolant leak or temperature creeps for all those hours I rolled by so I would think that's just M-B trying to cover their asses when they are evaluating a pre-owned car that has done 155 thousand KMs running on its original water pump assy. No problems popping up so far, in fact, I turned off ASR and did a few donuts and caught that on tape.... Still not missing a beat. and over the few hours of driving the Check Engine Light finally did enough run cycles and decides to say bye-bye to me. Which is awesome news that means the ECU isn't seeing any fault ready-state codes anymore with the new MAS. Changed the plugs too while I did the MAS and again the Boschs in the engine looks like it hasn't been changed for the past 10 years (like my previous C220) so out went the Bosch and in went the Nippon Denso (I would not buy another Bosch plug even if you put a gun at my head) Iridium 0.4mm core plugs. The engine totally takes off from the nice fresh set of plugs. At such a price there are obviously something bound to go wrong. There is an over-2000 dollar but unknown amount claim on it from a rear end collision. So the trunk gap on the left is narrower than the symmetrical gap on the right.... But otherwise I'm quite stumped as to why Subaru would rather sell me this car at 9K + taxes when they would otherwise easily ask 17 - 22K on their lot having the car "reconditioned" The car needs a new wiper arm gearbox assy as the original one has cracked and if I turn on the wiper the motor pops out of its broken mount like jack in the box and onto the windscreen saying "surprise!!" to me at like 100mph and the wiper does not return anymore. I swear I almost had a heart attack when the motor just jumped onto the windscreen like a salmon fresh out of the water. The car also developed an exhaust leak under the passenger footwell..... Which isn't all that common for AMG exhaust systems..... I will have to have the car jacked up and check it out from underneath (for various....things) when the exhaust shop welds up the exhaust....wherever that leak is from. Then, the car has a stinky ventilation system that needs cleaning right away....it smells like mold and it's hella disgusting. otherwise I'm delighted to report that, hk20000 has walked into a dealer and has came out ahead of the game! Not something many can claim to have done! Also a 1997 C36 is awesome in that even amongst C36s it's the one and only year that received the 5 speed automatic instead of 4 speeds.... And the total number imported into North America is also the least amongst all C36s of all years. I feel like I just stepped on treasure while strolling in the park. Lucky me. And WOW C36 is like a totally different beast than a base model C220 I once had and treasured! I'm totally blown away by its performance! Pictures to come when the sun rises. |
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heh I was googling C36 AMG waterpump replacement and this thread surfaced from google.
So a quick update to keep all those that chimed in almost 4 years ago what has happened since. The car is still running and fine, it passes local smog inspection "AirCare" with flying color. Replaced the wiper arm but it won't park automatically so it's either off or LOW no intermittent. Since then some electrical gremlin came and puked oil all over the passenger side where the carpet went - that's where the ABS and SRS ECU is, triggering warning lights and then Mercedes charged me some good $$ to diagnose it and replaced the brake switch. Poked around the engine but neither the mech or myself could find a source for the leak of oil into the harness (I was looking for that famous oil soaked fishnet stocking contamination oh-so popular with Mercedes), perhaps someone spilled oil in the car before I bought it and it just happened to get to the electronics this other day last year. Other than that there's no major breakdowns to report upon and it's still doing its 6 second 0-60 all day long. Also as predicted the price of a W202 AMG is pretty stable now I bought it for like 11.2k and it sits at a 8~12K range in the local Canadian market... Aftermarket goodies include a K&N drop-in air filter and a 6-pack of iridium NGK spark plugs Most recently I replaced the thermostat on the engine at $23. The car warms up normally now and runs well with improved fuel economy. But I think the waterpump is starting to go it is making some annoying noise like a cricket.... Checked the papers it has never had it replaced for its life so it's about that time to do it. Got these parts sitting in my garage now: V-belt idler pulley water pump tensioner pulley All my Euro car wielding friends are amazed at my almost Toyota-like trouble free experience with the car and I'm damn proud of her. I read from others that the C280 C36 water pump is a ***** to replace, wish me luck... |
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Drop-kick the "K&N drop-in air filter and a 6-pack of iridium NGK spark plugs" into the closest garbage dump.
Replace with standard AMG air filter and AMG original copper-core spark plugs. Your MAS/MAF and your coils will love you for it. Any questions..?...then just Google... |
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However "AMG" never made any plugs and copper non resistor plugs are limited in the USA. NGK's are easiest copper plugs to get. I disagree with you on the K&N... I use the K&N in five of my six current Mercs..300CE M103 twin turbo, E320 M104 cab, C43, G55K and CLK63 Black Series. Never had a problem with the K&N. Ed A.
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What's with the hate of iridium plugs? the car starts much easier than before and has better low range punch than ever....Exhaust smells cleaner too (well I shouldn't be sucking that crap in anyway but I did lol). Car used to misfire when started cold with the copper plugs Merc gave me at last service (so it acts like an old Merc where you have to give it some gas and "clear its throat" before you can set off) but it does not do that any more with the Denso iridiums...(those with the 0.4mm tip)
oh and it was a typo they are Denso actually not NGK. |
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