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Old 02-20-2008, 11:25 AM
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Climate control as a diagnostic tool

I came across this great info on using the Climate control unit as a fast diagnostic tool and would like to share.

To get into the diagnostic mode, turn the ignition switch on, set both temperatures to 72 and press and hold the REST button for about 5 seconds or so. Then cycle up/down through the readings by pressing the AUTO button.

You will see on the left side of the display an indicator from the list below and on the right side the value .

list of indicators:

01 = In-car temp sensor
02 = outside temp sensor
03 = left heat exchanger (heater core) temp sensor
04 = right heat exchanger sensor
05 = evaporator sensor
06 = coolant temp
07 = refrig. pressure in bar
08 = refrig temp sensor (23*9 = 23.9deg C)
09 = nothing
10 = Blower control voltage (great for evaluating blower controller problems)
11 = emissions sensor (B31) e.g. 3.1 = 31.v
12 = sun sensor 4.2 = 4.2v
20 = aux fan control 6.1 = 6.1ma (max 10ma)
21 = engine speed
22 = vehicle speed
23 = Circuit 58d e.g. 99 = 99% of battery voltage
24 = BATTERY VOLTAGE e.g. 12.5 = 12.5v
30 = left rear air conditioning heat exchanger temp sensor (not all vehicles; obviously)
31 = right side
32 = rear evap temp sensor
33 = blower control voltage rear 0.8(MIN) - 6.0(MAX)
34 = left rear temp selector
35 = right side
38 = software status e.g. 37 rear air conditioning
38 = hardware status e.g. 37 , rear air conditioning
40 = control module version software status (?)
41 = control module version menu hardware status
42 = control module variant code 1st number
43 = variant code second number.

a problem is to inteprete the value. The climate-control diagnostic manual describes the normal range for all of these.

Could anyone having the climate-control diagnostic manual post the ranges?

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Old 02-20-2008, 12:30 PM
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http://pages.prodigy.net/jforgione/MB_AAC.html
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:29 AM
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Those are an expanded set of "operational" codes for all W140 cars as of 9/95 and on.

Peter's link takes you to my pages, Menu#15 that gives both operational and diagnostic codes up to 8/95.

As you can see MB expanded the readout include some additional operational parameters that could help in diagnosing A/C problems.

In both systems, the two 'key' readings come from #5, "Evaporator Temp Sensor" and #7, "Refrigerant Pressure", in bar. (1 bar = 14.7 psi).

You can drive along and see the 'health' of your A/C system. #5 should cycle between 37 (or lower) to 43 on a hot day. #7 should cycle between 7 to 16 bar on a hot day. If it does, your A/C is working fine!
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:40 AM
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My read-outs:

05 (evaporator sensor) = 11C = 51.8F
07 (refrig. pressure in bar) = 9

I guess I am having low refrigerant, maybe need to top off. But I'd like to repeat the reading when it gets warmer.
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:39 PM
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Assuming your readings were just taken on a 'cold' day, then your A/C is low on charge.

On a cool-cold day, #5 should read around 35-37F at the coldest point. #7 will read low also b/c it's cold!

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