The EPC shows a 104.980 with a 124.031, don't know about the Brabus. ETA part number for the 5 speed automatic is 002 140 23 53.

I was just wondering if Barbus re-designates the eng to 104.890 when they get thru with them for the sake of giving it a new ID #..that is all I was thinking..we both suspect it was orignally a 104.980.
I just suspected a typo b/c of the possibility of mistakenly flipping of the two numbers just happens to fit 890/980 and I also noticed another typo referring to it as a 140.890 engine.

But then I went to the Site and saw the engine # listed, so I was not so sure about it being a typo anymore, as he has it listed there also as a 104.890.

http://www.bilgalleri.dk/html/gal_visbil.asp?ID=69175&ipc=219870

Wait til the VIN confirm comes back and that will settle it.............

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Hi again.

Oh I see now, the site i gave the link to is just "My" site info
I wrote down all the info my self and uploaded the pictures of the car so that is just my info given on the site not some official info.

ah I remember that Rusian site now, why didenīt I think of that
Well it tels me that i got the following things

Model300 E-24
Chassis1240311BXXXXXX
Engine104980 12 XXXXXX
Transmission722501 03 XXXXXX
4255-speed automatic transmission (с 01.02.1988)
471acceleration skid control (ASR) (с 01.07.1984)
650sports chassis with 15-hole light alloy rims (с 01.12.1988 по 28.02.1993)
950sportline (consisting of codes 65/0, 243, 281) (с 01.10.1989 по 28.02.1993)
There is a lot more options, but not relevant for this matter.

And my Car was delevered February 1991 i guess i got the first ASR "type"
But at the rusian site it says (c 01.07.1984) ??? what is that reffering to?
I thought it was the start of production at the specific options?
Did it realy came that early ASR as an option?

The ASR system I think is not changed in step with the sportline chassis as mine is added like en extra option and BRABUS didenīt changed anything about it.

Before i got the ASR lamp on, my ASR system worked just as any other 6 Cyl. with the ASR option.
I also got the snow chain botton and no complete turn off of the system.
My car couldnīt spin the wheels before, but now it will go fore it if i let it

An important info from my mecaniac is that he removed the linkage from the ETA that goes up to the Throtle body othervice it woulnīt take the gas/revs manualy by the linkage from the gas cable.
But that dossent change that the ETA or is it EA ??? still dossent work.
I found the plug to the ETA on the fender next to other elektronic.
If I discornnect this plug, the engine will turn Off/go dead.
I think that is some sort of safety fuel cut off.

I will try to find some pictures of my speed position sensor that has already been changed.

That is what I thought from the start,, but the engine numbers and the Barbus had me out of my territory, so i was not about to give info on a system that I know nothing about. Those Barbus guys are very hip to the lastest Tech stuff , so who knows what they do about ASR defeats and such.

Anyway, looks like it is just a stock ASR set-up and I will get the schematics out for the 124.051 and see what I think ..

..or I may even get the Schematic #'s and you can look them up on the net..then you will see where some common test points and the internals of the EA, etc look like electrically......
Those typos will kill ya.................

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Holy sh... that part is expensive. 002 140 23 53

org. from Mercedes i must give
1779.79 US $ here in Denmark where we pay 25% sales tax/VAT
Even with my dealer discount at 8% for this item i must give
1637.40 US $ here in Denmark where we pay 25% sales tax/VAT

I might want that part from Germany were they only pay 14% sales tax/VAT

Test:

On brake sw. -S9/1 ....take a jumper wire and ground pin 2 [br/blu wire..]
Does ASR lamp go out?

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No the ASR lamp dossent go out.
But i also changed that brake sw, so i wouldnīt expect that to be the problem, but ofcause your test might be "testing" something else?

I was just wondering about something.
Normaly the EA gets a signal from the throtle position sensor so it knows exactly how much gas to give and then do it
But if an error makes the EA goes into limp home mode/Off/non function mode
Then youre acturely making the Throtle body turn by the manualy ROD that is attached from the gas cable.
And then again you are turning the EA manualy.
Can this destroy the EA if you turn it/the electric motor manualy for a longer periode like I have done? when my ASR was not working?

Because the problem started out only to come sometimes and then it went into "Limp home mode" wich means i could only give it 2/3 of the gas and not only 1000 rpm like I have heard the later models do.

well that was just another input of wht it might be important to fix this in a row when a probelm like that shows up.

But i got some stright 110% right infos on the gas cable system i got on my car with numbers and even a drawing of it.

Se the rusian site here where it is showned.

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1&F=124031&M=104%2E980&GA=722%2E359501&GM=717%2E450&CT=M&cat=520&SID=07&SGR=190&SGN=10

I got changed the part that has number 8 in the drawing
And the mecanic removed the part number 59 in the drawing to let the gas cable controle the revs

The EA is not showned at the drawing i can see, but it sits in the other end of the rod 59 throtle body that dont has any number

I want to find the EA on that site, but i hassenīt manage to do so, can you might find it?

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb1.asp?TP=1&F=124031&M=104%2E980&GA=722501&VIN=%2A&

Best regards

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Ok

I think this test procedure thing I do is not going to work in this case, so it is best for me to try and get these schematics to you.

My test are strickly electronic logic tracing off a schematic at strategic points in the circuit... where each test results determine the next logical test. They usually require a yes/no responce.
I can not justify each test to you without much time and typing, so if you have the same schematics , maybe that will make it easier.
Let me see if I can do some scanning and get back to you..

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Click on "07 Injection", then "015 KE-Jetronic", then it's #68 in the diagram, the last #68 on the parts list. It is shown as a U.S. part and lists for $1,100 which should be available for about $900 to $950.

I think you mix the new ETA system in the later M104.992 1993-1996 with the one i got.
Its right that the hole thing is included in the throtle body at the later model, but not on my type of engine.

The 68 is Only the throtle body with the switch, nothing more.
If you click on "07 injection", then "190 CONTROL USED W/ACCELERATION SKID CONTROL" then look at the #59 (rod) and read the text for it.
It says "from final controle element (that is the EA) to throttle housing"

I have with my eyes confirmed on another identical car, that it is the "Final controle element" that is the electric motor or EA if you will.
So that it is the Final controle element that is adjusting/controling the throtle body corrnected with the #59 rod
But to locate the mentioned "Final Controle Element" is the hard part i think.
Im happy to find out that the part you refered to as the EA is realy not the thing i need or I think is broke on my car, but im worried that the "Final Controle Element" might just be 5 times more expensive
I hope not, but i can only find that out if I/we can find the part number of it.

The switch at the throtle body is what i think is the Open and Closed throtle regonision signal to the controle system.

#190 merely augments #135 which also does not show the part. Your car is clearly KE era which does not extend to the 93-95 3.2 motors. But the definitive answer is to get the part number off the car, especially because of the Brabus handling.

If anyone can find the part number for the EA on my engine type M104.980 i will be pleased
My EA is identical to the one found on the W124.051 chassis with the same M104.980 engine
My BRABUS option has not changed anything about the ASR system or the way it works.
I found the plug that goes to the EA from the Control metal box and it is identical with the plug from the Speed position sensor with the part number 000 540 1817
What can be messured here at the plug of the EA? any ideas?
This could be a very easy way to locate my problem to the EA as I am sure this is the problem with my ASR.
What pins goes to what inside the EA?

BR
BRABUS

Sometimes this opens , sometimes it doesn't

http://www.garagelibrary.com/dl/index.php?dlid=4

If yes, then go to model/yr., ... then wire diagrams,.. then schematic pages 138/EA...138/1 EA/CC w/asr , ..and 152/4-ABS w/ASR/EA systems.

These are what I have here when we started the test procedures .
You have already establish OVP feed for N/30, fuse feed for N4/1 , and the ground I had you do was to verify the neg side of those circuits for completion to ground.

You will see where I was going with the test and this will give you what you need to procede to next test/s .
Mine next choice would be EA Close throttle sw. contacts by checking pins 6 and 7 with ohm meter , as that is in that power chain.
It is my contention that your ASR system is not being activated due to a power feed problem , so that is why I way concentrating on that series of circuit feed components/connections. That is shown in those schenmatics and that is where you may want to continue.

Good Luck

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WHen i click on the link, i get a CD download site.
I guess i should downlaod that, and then follow your instruction right?
Or is it directly on the site you mean?
I canīt find the wire diagram you refeer to?

When i try to click on download the W124 cd i get this info:

Error:
Sorry but you do not have permission to view this page. Contact the admin if you think you should have access to this page.. If you believe this to be in error, please quote the above error and report this to the admin

Try log in /register on the left side.

Like I said , sometimes it works , sometimes it doesn't
He emailed me a few weeks ago and said he is working on it...

It was a cool site for the CD , but he ran into trouble with some systems.

If anyone has the CD you know , the schematics are in there for the 124.051 w/ASR-EA / 90 thru 92. The 124 CD is a set of two, with the schematics on CD #1.
I assume yours is the same.
Once you have the schematic , you can follow the circuits and decide which test . I have no instructions .

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