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'95 Wagon, won't start in "N", /ASR
Hi,
My 1995 E320 124 wagon has developed the ASR light on recent cold morning starts, when I hit the brakes; light comes on and car goes LIMP. I tried to restart while coasting in Neutral. No go. STarter was not energized, did not turn over. Should the car start in Neutral? Have not pulled the codes yet. |
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neutral safety switch? check that?
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1986 300SDL, 211K,Dealership serviced its whole life 1991 190E 2.6(120k) 1983 300D(300k) 1977 300D(211k) |
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Yes, it should start in neutral.
If you're lucky, it's only an OVP [over protection relay] behind battery. But you should use Arthur Dalton's code tester before you start throwing parts at it. How many miles? Was engine wiring harness or throttle body [actuator] ever replaced? Any other mechanical or electrical problems? |
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WHat is an OV relay? I have 145 k miles on what otherwise feels like a new car. I have only had it for a year, and do not know about head gasket , wiring harness, throttle body, but suspect they were not done yet. I saved the code reader post, and will build one soon. Thanks
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Hi Paul,
When you start doing searches on "ASR" and "limp mode", you'll might be a little overwhelmed. First thing tomorrow is to go to Radio Shack and buy parts to make Arthur's Code Reader. You'll need at least 9" for each wire color. 10 or 12 ga. is good. I mounted the switch and light in a 35 mm film container, but any pill container about 1 x 2" or larger will work. The black box [2w x 3L x 1d"] you plug into is in front of battery towards engine. Read the codes a few times to make sure you're doing it correctly and post your results here. Easy things to check first: Vacuum tubes / hoses. # The hard plastic ones can be replaced with standard rubber vac hoses. OEM was color coded, yours may differ i replaced. But keep some of the hard plastic to make connectors for rubber hoses into elbows. 1] Behind brake master cylinder booster: feeds engine & tranny !!! 2] Under black plastic front engine cover 3] Air pump and others you can worry about later [Door locks & Climate Control] Your questions: OVP aka Over Protection Relay has blue fuse on top. Name implies what it does. Easy diy. Head Gasket: Usually leaks at corner closest to passenger. Open oil fill cap, if just oil you're not mixing oil & water. If grayish or yellowish moose, you're mixing = ng. Wiring harness is problematic the more you move it. Hopefully, with 145k it was replaced. Easy place to check is wiring at thermostat housing. An electrical connector has a black sheathing over two wires. Either slide back or carefully cut the sheathing to reveal the wires. If the insulation is dry or brittle it's ng. If smooth and pliably it's ok. OEM harness was made with a "green friendly" insulation that unfortunately couldn't withstand heat. [MB still doesn't admit they screwed up]. Throttle Body aka Actuator [see pik in my profile photos] located between 3rd & 4th intake tubes, fed by air intake tube. $450 to rebuild mine, easy diy. Uses same ng wire insulation as engine harness. Oracle is correct about checking neutral safety switch. It's located on bottom side of tranny. A PIA, but still a diyer. Use 'fastlane" on this site to get idea of parts piks & cost. |
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Thanks. Off to Radio Shack....
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le sigh,,,,
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1986 300SDL, 211K,Dealership serviced its whole life 1991 190E 2.6(120k) 1983 300D(300k) 1977 300D(211k) |
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CODES ; (I even had a film canister).
Pin #8 flashed 8 times. Pin #14 flashed 14 times. |
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I'm not 100% sure on this, but the no start in neutral condition you described might be normal. These cars have a safety feature built into the start system to prevent crash engagement of the starter. Once the starter has been engaged once, the key must be returned to the initial (position 0) before the starter will engage again............................
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Goo d thought... I am pretty sure I cycled the key to OFF, then tried to start. All the lights lit up, but no action at the starter.
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CODES
Pin #8 flashed 8 times. => Idle Speed Control [ISC] Pin #14 flashed 14 times. => Closed Throttle Position Contact Switch A number of different dysfunctional items can cause these codes. I'm not the "best" diagnostician, so it's better to have someone else on this list and / or an inde shop help you with specifics. You used an appropriate title for this thread, so much more knowledgeable people than me will contribute and help you. I assume your wagon has ASR, but you should check and post that info. How does the engine wiring harness insulation look? This is important to know... What's the condition [OEM vs replaced] of ALL the vacuum hoses & tubes? What other performance [engine, transmission & electrical] items have been repaired or replaced? |
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This '95 wagon does have ASR, and the 'tire chain' button.
Head gasket is solid. I can see that the PO put in a torque converter, and some trans work. Have not cut open the wiring harness. The car was dealer maintained previously, and I am hoping the harness was done. The car runs as new; But, just recently, on the cold mornings, in the first few minutes after start, when I hit the brakes, is goes ASR light ON, and LIMP mode., Car restarts and is fine. I should look into why I cannot do a rolling start in neutral. |
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Taillight assembly, the piece where the bulbs snap into, can develop contact issues. Funny that it happens when you hit the brake. Brakelight is activated then. I replaced my left one and fixed the ASR issue
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Will, I like that. It only happens just as I hit the brakes. thanks
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You might also have an issue with the stop light switch on the brake pedal. Also, when you apply the brakes, the subsequent lowering of RPM might also be triggering Limp Mode, and would not necessarily be related to the brake switch/lights.
You specifically stated the problem occurs only on cold mornings. My car does the same and the cause was traced to a faulty coolant temperature sensor. Once the engine/coolant warms (and, presumably, when the sensor is replaced) the problem goes away. Quote:
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