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Old 07-24-2009, 01:16 PM
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The Start Of My NO START Story....and a DWELL question

My '85 190E (US 8v w/ only 88K mi) rough started one evening , but cranked and wouldn't start the next morning.

After going through the published troubleshooting routine to check the OVP relay, ignition component continuity and resistance values, and any obvious vacuum leaks without finding anything out of spec, I entrusted (i.e. towed) it to a local import shop that sells a lot of MBs and BMWs.

I had interviewed the owner, and he was confident the tech would find the problem. After three weeks and "a lot of work on it" they told me the timing chain was bad. Three weeks to learn this? I had seen enough and towed the car home.

To confirm their diagnosis, I lined up the timing marks at the distributor and the cylinder head to see how far off it was. It was dead on. I lost confidence in their opinion.

Concerned that there was bad fuel in the tank, I wanted to drain the 3-5 gallons that remained there and replace it with fresh fuel. I figured I'd disconnect the fuel line in the engine compartment, and use the fuel pump to deliver the gas to a container through some vinyl tubing.

I turned the key to excite the pump, but turned too far into the "start" position. THE MOTOR STARTED RUNNING WITH THE FUEL LINE DISCONNECTED.

It continued to run (for the first time in two months) at a smooth idle while the gas flowed from the tank into a five gallon bucket instead of the fuel distributor. (Thank God there were no errant sparks).

After adding some fresh fuel, and reconnecting the fuel line, the original problem remained. Now, I had to re-create the "No Fuel Line" scenario to see if the results would repeat. They did. The car starts easily and idles smoothly as long as the fuel line is disconnected from the FD. Otherwise it won't start.

I assume that the motor is running off of vapor drawn through the recovery canister. I also assume that the timing chain is not as bad as it was "professionally diagnosed" to be.

I hope to start troubleshooting the CFI soon. I did notice that the plugs are getting wet with fuel, and I assume that timing and spark are adequate due to the "NFL" running condition. There does appear to be some fuel accumulating below the air sensor plate.

Apparently fuel is getting delivered, but not under conditions to ignite. Perhaps its a fuel/air issue, but you would think that if it starts and runs on the vapor, that I could at least get a rough idle out of it under normal starting conditions.

Any insights into the KE II Jetronic tests without the use of a scope would be helpful. Also, has anyone had any luck using a dwell meter on the #3 terminal at the diagnostic socket?

Last edited by MBZ190E; 07-27-2009 at 11:24 PM.
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