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Old 05-04-2010, 08:11 PM
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The mention that 134A conversions fail. The problem with conversions is that while 134a approximates R12 it is less effecient and a system not designed for it has less margin. The other problem is that 134 uses different oils than r12 and needs different seals. So what everyone does is replace all the o rings with nitrile or something that is compatable with the oil forgetting that there are seals in the compressor. Also all the old oil needs to be flushed out and a new receiver dryer installed
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Old 05-17-2010, 01:18 PM
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The mention that 134A conversions fail. The problem with conversions is that while 134a approximates R12 it is less effecient and a system not designed for it has less margin. The other problem is that 134 uses different oils than r12 and needs different seals. So what everyone does is replace all the o rings with nitrile or something that is compatable with the oil forgetting that there are seals in the compressor. Also all the old oil needs to be flushed out and a new receiver dryer installed
The problems with original R12 systems converted to R134a go MUCH farther than the seals or any other leak issue. Converted systems run higher high side pressures putting more stress on the compressor and all other high side components. Aggravating the problem and contributing to the statistical failure time line is the fact that many conversions do not get the proper attention to lubrication as you describe.

As I said, statistically, converted systems experience problems at the two year mark. This is fact determined from carefully recorded data, not imagination or wild dreams.
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:38 PM
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I use the Mid-cites MP. Ray and Jimmy are the ones who I spoke with at length about the R134 and both suggested it.

The sight glass was bubbly when it was low and with 1.7 lbs of R134 the sight glass is clear now.

I will have to look at my paper work but I think I am on my 3rd or 4th TX summer.
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