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Old 03-02-2011, 01:32 PM
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Weird hesitation while starting, 1996 E320 M104, should I worry?

275K miles, haven't changed the (Bosch Copper) plugs in a while, could that be it? It's like the engine encounters a strong resistance (for about 0.5 seconds) while the starter is turning it, but it does start on the same turn of the key . Not every time, warm/cold doesn't matter, but getting more frequent . (new, not rebuilt) Bosch starter in 2008. Idle hunts a bit when cold, not much over 1500 RPM . No reverse, doubt that matters but you never know.
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:30 PM
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Spark plugs should be changed every 30,000 miles. If it's been well past that point it would be a good idea to replace them ASAP, then go from there.
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Old 03-02-2011, 07:18 PM
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I don't think it's been that long, but close, thanks for the reply. I have new plugs but I keep waiting for them to install themselves to no avail.

I forgot to mention the red herring... I have BYPASSED the NSS (Neutral Safety Switch) by jumping the gray/rose wires under the hood, that could affect the engine management I assume, though not while starting because the bypass makes the car think it's in P or N.

If this was an old car I'd check the timing. Sounds like an engine with too much advance. No knocking on mid-grade gas though.
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That engine requires premium grade gas to perform properly. Recommend installing new spark plugs and switching to premium grade gas. The Owner's Manual and the fuel filler cap door advise using premium gas only.
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:03 AM
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May I ask why you bypassed the NSS?

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I forgot to mention the red herring... I have BYPASSED the NSS (Neutral Safety Switch) by jumping the gray/rose wires under the hood, that could affect the engine management I assume, though not while starting because the bypass makes the car think it's in P or N.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:27 AM
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May I ask why you bypassed the NSS?
Yes you may.
Because it froze rendering the car stranded every time the temps went below freezing; the cowl drain drips off the transmission and onto/into the switch, a common problem if I recall from my extensive searching and yet another thing I plan to fix when I get the trans out to fix reverse. RE the drains, I vacuum each drain with an appropriately sized hose monthly, since the indestructible leaves from our trees clog them; they all (1 ea fender and the upper and lower cowls) seem to be open. My NSS jump (which is temporary) is more fully described here, on page two. W210 starting problem

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That engine requires premium grade gas to perform properly.
Could that cause the symptom I described?
You have a valid point, however it happens with both grades; I put mid-grade in last time because 93 was $3.60 and 89 was $3.18, up 60 cents almost overnight. Also, it was only 3/4 tank, but I agree these cars "get mad" with any deviation from the norm. Moment of weakness, please forgive me. Normally use Premium only.

Thanks for the replies gentlemen!
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:40 PM
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Yes you may.
Because it froze rendering the car stranded every time the temps went below freezing; the cowl drain drips off the transmission and onto/into the switch, a common problem if I recall from my extensive searching and yet another thing I plan to fix when I get the trans out to fix reverse. RE the drains, I vacuum each drain with an appropriately sized hose monthly, since the indestructible leaves from our trees clog them; they all (1 ea fender and the upper and lower cowls) seem to be open. My NSS jump (which is temporary) is more fully described here, on page two. W210 starting problem
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Hi Tom,

in your post http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=256907 you "jumped from #2 to #4 with a 1 inch long piece of 22 ga wire" of the X22/1 connector whereas Jeremy, who gave you the tip, said "To bypass the NSS, cross the violet and violet/white wires."

that seems unclear to me, crossing #2 to #4 could mean exchanging the two wires while jumping could mean leaving the wires alone and additionally connecting #2 with #4.

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