Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-14-2012, 12:08 PM
jeffr0000's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 112
Chirp chirp chirp chirp goes the 250C

My newly purchased 1970 250c is driving me crazy. From the transmission/clutch area I get a unrelenting rpm-dependent chirping sound. It kinda sounds like an accessory belt, but you can make it go away with just a slight amount of pressure on the clutch pedal. It makes this sound in every gear and neutral with the clutch fully out. So much as breath on the clutch pedal and silence can be enjoyed again, this trick works in every gear and neutral.

Now I initially thought of the throwout bearing, and I think it's likely related to the problem but I don't think it's gone bad as the throwout bearing really only does work when the clutch is depressed. When it's not depressed the throwout really doesn't have any work to do and should happily spin on it's shaft. Every bad throwout bearing situation I've ever seen has been a throwout that makes terrible sounds when the clutch pedal is depressed, this is acting in the exact opposite.

I thought briefly of the clutch pilot bearing, but it really only does work when the clutch is spinning at a different rate than the flywheel, so that rules out anytime I'm in gear and driving/chirping down the road.

So right now I'm at a loss. I'm unfamiliar with the car and annoyed. Because my radio is out for refurbishment I can't even drown out the sound. If you have any ideas on what to check or perhaps adjust, I'd love to hear it. I don't even know if there is a way to inspect the clutch area, so if you know how to do that I'd love to hear it as well. Thanks.

__________________
Own:
1970 Mercedes 250c, 1976 International Scout II, 1982 Mercedes 240d, 1997 Honda Accord Wagon, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 2009 Mazda5.
Owned:
1974 International 100 pickup, 1975 International Scout II, 1981 Mercedes 240d, 1985 Mercedes 300SD, 1988 Honda Accord, 1988 Ford Thunderbird, 1991 Honda Accord, 1996 Geo Metro, 1996 Ford F150, 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan, 1997 Honda Accord, 2003 Acura TL-S, 2003 Yamaha V-star.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-14-2012, 12:11 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: TX
Posts: 3,978
did you check the transmission oil level. It may also be a rattling clutch friction plate hub
__________________
2012 BMW X5 (Beef + Granite suspension model)

1995 E300D - The original humming machine (consumed by Flood 2017)
2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-14-2012, 12:21 PM
jeffr0000's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zulfiqar View Post
did you check the transmission oil level. It may also be a rattling clutch friction plate hub
I have not thought to check the transmission oil level. Do you know what transmission model would be in the car? It's a four-speed manual and I'm assuming Getrag something or rather. I know the transmission was replaced less than 1500 miles ago, but it was 1997 or so when that work was completed.
__________________
Own:
1970 Mercedes 250c, 1976 International Scout II, 1982 Mercedes 240d, 1997 Honda Accord Wagon, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 2009 Mazda5.
Owned:
1974 International 100 pickup, 1975 International Scout II, 1981 Mercedes 240d, 1985 Mercedes 300SD, 1988 Honda Accord, 1988 Ford Thunderbird, 1991 Honda Accord, 1996 Geo Metro, 1996 Ford F150, 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan, 1997 Honda Accord, 2003 Acura TL-S, 2003 Yamaha V-star.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Modesto CA
Posts: 4,085
The sound you describe is indeed from the throwout bearing. The bearing "runs" with zero clearance when released. A new bearing will spin freely, and quietly at zero clearance, however an old and somewhat sticky bearing will not be driven at engine speed when released (zero clearance), but will instead slip with respect to the fingers of the pressure plate, causing the audible "chirp".

The trans is a G76/18. Fill level is to the upper plug on the right side. ATF
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-14-2012, 12:58 PM
jeffr0000's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Reiner View Post
The sound you describe is indeed from the throwout bearing. The bearing "runs" with zero clearance when released. A new bearing will spin freely, and quietly at zero clearance, however an old and somewhat sticky bearing will not be driven at engine speed when released (zero clearance), but will instead slip with respect to the fingers of the pressure plate, causing the audible "chirp".

The trans is a G76/18. Fill level is to the upper plug on the right side. ATF
So is there any solution other than pulling the transmission/replacing the throwout? Can I inspect it easily?
__________________
Own:
1970 Mercedes 250c, 1976 International Scout II, 1982 Mercedes 240d, 1997 Honda Accord Wagon, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 2009 Mazda5.
Owned:
1974 International 100 pickup, 1975 International Scout II, 1981 Mercedes 240d, 1985 Mercedes 300SD, 1988 Honda Accord, 1988 Ford Thunderbird, 1991 Honda Accord, 1996 Geo Metro, 1996 Ford F150, 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan, 1997 Honda Accord, 2003 Acura TL-S, 2003 Yamaha V-star.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-14-2012, 04:07 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Modesto CA
Posts: 4,085
No, and No.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-14-2012, 05:17 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: TX
Posts: 3,978
would not a clutch thrust bearing cause loud screeching under load if it were not freely spinning.

but it maybe that way, In redoing manual transmission clutches I had experience of this noise when the transmission fluid was low and cold - hence I posted it.

__________________
2012 BMW X5 (Beef + Granite suspension model)

1995 E300D - The original humming machine (consumed by Flood 2017)
2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page