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Car stalled, won't start
1989 300ce.
the other day as I was pulling into the parking lot at work, my car stalled. I honestly thought a slipping belt meant that the alternator wasn't charging the battery and the system shut down.. not so. New belt and tensioner. No start. Changed fuel pump relay. OVP is only 5 months old or so. Here's what happens, I go to turn the car over and the starter engages and engine cranks for a few seconds and then the starter will cut out as if there is no power.. I can repeat that. Don't know if it could be fuel pumps. Like I said... it just cut out on me as i was pulling into the parking lot. A couple of years ago, we had an occasional no start problem, replaced the crank position sensor and all was well. At least then you would get a restart after the car cooled a bit.
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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What happens when you put a battery charger on the battery? Heavy charge? |
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he said it had 500 cca after the charge. i do not know what the voltage reads during a starting attempt. i will have my wife turn the car on tomorrow so i can listen and see if the fuel pumps engage. i just wonder if the original problem.... the car just stalling out is a function of the pump going.
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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I fail to see the connection to the fuel pumps if the battery is dead and the alternator has insufficient output to keep the spark going.
Your problem appears to be a failure to charge the battery. My guess is that it will start just fine with the recharged battery, only to repeat the same problem if there is no alternator output. I'm not really concerned with the starting voltage now that the battery is recharged. If the engine does start, check the battery voltage while it's running. My guess is that you'll find 12V or so. |
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interstate recharged the battery.... and no luck starting... i figured it just isn't getting gas. i will try to jump the car off tomorrow as well. i asked the guy at interstate if i needed a new battery...and he said this one is fine, but it is on its way out... he wasn't anxious at all to sell me a new one.... the battery says its rated for 700cca. I have owned the car for 5 years...so the battery is at least that old i guess i could try to put the battery in the s320... and see what happens when i try to start it.... i could keep all the accessories off in the s320.... it only has the 104 engine.
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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The possibility of two completely different problems.............a dead battery............and a bad fuel pump...........is practically nil.
So, apparently, the story must not be complete. The car will stall if there is no alternator output and the battery dies. This problem will not, AFAIK, cause the demise of the fuel pump. |
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i think the best thing for me to do is a) have my wife turn on the ignition and see if i hear the fuel pumps b) take the battery out of the CE and hook it up to the S and see if the S320 starts. If it doesn't, I immediately go out and buy a new battery. I appreciate your help.. I don't usually get stuck this bad with all the knowledge obtained by searching. Arthur Dalton has pitched in privately as well.. he wants to make sure the battery in the CE is grounded properly.
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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You can diagnose a bad battery pretty quickly. Check the battery voltage while you crank it and report back. |
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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See if it starts. |
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To add to Brian's reply. Connect the negative jumper cable to a good grounding point on the engine block NOT the negative post of the battery. This will help in diagnosing a bad earth/ground connection.
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“Whatever story you're telling, it will be more interesting if, at the end you add, "and then everything burst into flames.” ― Brian P. Cleary, You Oughta Know By Now |
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Have you tested the starter and starter solenoid ?
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I can't hear the fuel pumps when i turn the ignition. I already switched out the fuel pump relay with a spare. I have one more option,I suppose.... use banana jumpers to try to bypass the fuel pump relay.... to see if that will engage the fuel pumps. I will probably also get a new battery since even after a charge the one i have just doesn't seem to have anything left in it..... if someone knows what to jump that would help...although I do believe it's posted here somewhere
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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But, clearly, you have way too much time on your hands and you wish to chase the fuel pump, as you have done since the original post. Well, have at it...........let us know how it works out for you. |
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i am going to jumper the fuel relay supply.... to see if i can hear the pumps.. i can get a battery....no big deal.... in owning these cars for 20 years or so... i have just been fortunate to hardly ever have someone else repair them.... If it's the battery..i should be able to jump it off.... it's just my hobby to be miserable... Lol
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1989 300ce 129k ( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone) 1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus 1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k 1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it [/SIGPIC] |
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