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Old 12-01-2013, 10:55 PM
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Getting rid of carbon build up on brake disc.

How does one remove carbon deposits on a brake disc (rear)? I have one rear brake disc that keeps squealing with the brakes applied. It's is not the pads, there is plenty of meat on them.
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I am puzzled by your assumption that there is carbon building up on the disc. I've never seen a disk with carbon build up. Squealing usually has to do with the pad composition in my experience, although there are often shims and/or paste specified to reduce brake squeal. Assuming you used the recommended paste etc. I would suspect the pad compound.
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I have always solved that problem with a bit of antisieze on the back of the pads.
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I don't care if my brakes squeal as long as they stop the vehicle.
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The squealing is caused by the vibration of the metal backing of the pad. You can have plenty of material on the pad and you can have new rotors while still having squeal. Most shops put anti-squeal paste on the backing plate of the pad before installation - Mercedes are notorious for this issue. Go to the parts store, get some anti-squeal paste, remove pads, cover the metal backing plate entirely with a thin layer of the stuff, then put it back together.
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Nelbur, I say carbon build up because I had previously looked at the brake disc and there was a build up of a dark gray substance on the disc. that just would not scrap off. I just presume this is causing the squeal. I do have some anti-squeal grease and will apply it to the pads and see what happens. I suppose I could take the brake disc to a shop and have them mill this build up, off.
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Nelbur, I say carbon build up because I had previously looked at the brake disc and there was a build up of a dark gray substance on the disc. that just would not scrap off. I just presume this is causing the squeal. I do have some anti-squeal grease and will apply it to the pads and see what happens. I suppose I could take the brake disc to a shop and have them mill this build up, off.
Just make sure you apply it to the backing plate and not the pad. Sounds as if either someone contaminated the pad material at one time or wore a set of pads down to the backing plate
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Ya, something got built up or baked onto the disc. You can feel it. I will be sure to keep the paste on the backing plate.
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I was taught to every once awhile to slam brakes hard to remove glazing on rotors.learned from british leyland,Jag,and Jensen's
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Nelbur, I say carbon build up because I had previously looked at the brake disc and there was a build up of a dark gray substance on the disc. that just would not scrap off. I just presume this is causing the squeal. I do have some anti-squeal grease and will apply it to the pads and see what happens. I suppose I could take the brake disc to a shop and have them mill this build up, off.
Now that is odd. Have you tried brake parts cleaner?
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Generally pad material transfer to the rotor is desirable, it increases the friction coefficient and is partly why new brakes on fresh rotors don't work so well at first.

There is a chance that the last set of pads had a material that is incomparable with the newer pads but there really isn't a way to tell. Some 80 grit sand paper could be used to clean both sides of the rotor, don't expect to get much of an even looking surface, it will be lots of work. Hard brake material can also make noise.

Pad shims are usually coated aluminum to prevent squeaking between the pad back and caliper piston.

If there are outlines of the brake pad around the rotor, this is sign of repeated hard brake use then sitting stationary for a period of time. ( running road course time trails, coming off the track hot then parking the car.) This might cause noise but usually results in thumping when the brakes are applied.

Sometimes the caliper does not have enough mass damping and will squeak no matter what you do. I've read that on the R129 bodied SL600 aluminum calipers were prone to noise at more than 1/2 pad wear, moving to steel calipers added more mass and took the system out of resonance. It might be worth looking for a service bulletin.
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Generally pad material transfer to the rotor is desirable, it increases the friction coefficient and is partly why new brakes on fresh rotors don't work so well at first.
I didn't know that. And I have an ASE brake cert. Learn something new every day

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If there are outlines of the brake pad around the rotor, this is sign of repeated hard brake use then sitting stationary for a period of time. ( running road course time trails, coming off the track hot then parking the car.) This might cause noise but usually results in thumping when the brakes are applied.
I've seen those outlines before. I thought that might be the cause.

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Sometimes the caliper does not have enough mass damping and will squeak no matter what you do. I've read that on the R129 bodied SL600 aluminum calipers were prone to noise at more than 1/2 pad wear, moving to steel calipers added more mass and took the system out of resonance. It might be worth looking for a service bulletin.
Interesting. I'd be less interested in adding unsprung weight, but also curious how well aluminum calipers stand up to heat over time. Come to think of it, the calipers on my bike are probably aluminum, but that's with large dual front rotors, plenty of air flow, and only about 600 lbs of combined bike and rider to slow down.

Good post!
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In the past I tried using both brake cleaner and a wire brush and thought I had it licked. However the brake squeal has returned. I will be finishing up some ignition work on my friend's car on Friday, so I will try the heavy grit sandpaper approach.

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