Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-10-2014, 01:11 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3
Air Pump activation

Starting my 420 SEL is very difficult and the car runs very "lumpy" missing and spluttering after many attempts to start.
I notice that the air pump is not engaged when startup occurs but after a few minutes the clutch engages and the car begins to idle ok.

The clutch on the airpump then disengages when the engine warms upand the car runs well slowly and on the highway.

Starting the car after it is warmed up is not a problem ....she starts first time.

When the engine is cold again the same problem re-occurs and she is difficult to start.

It seems to me like the airpump is working ok but is not being activated on startup? Can anyone help?

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-10-2014, 05:35 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Carson City, NV
Posts: 3,851
I've never seen an air injection pump with a clutch on it. Are you sure you aren't looking at your air conditioning compressor? That shouldn't have any relation to hard starting.
__________________
Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 400,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 22,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-11-2014, 09:34 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3
There is an electromagnetic clutch on the front end of the pump. It has wires running to it which obviously control the clutch.
My question is why is this not activating at start up but activates a few minutes after the engine runs.

This is the pump as the air conditioning unit is on the other side of the engine.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-11-2014, 01:19 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: los angeles
Posts: 814
Your airpump is working normal the delay is normal concentrate on fuel system or adjustments, after youve checked condition of cap,rotor and plugs, it sounds like leaking injectors
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-11-2014, 10:28 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Modesto CA
Posts: 4,086
auscaptain:

There are two devices which may be involved in your problem:
1) the cold start valve, which injects extra fuel into the idle air distribution ducts when the temperature is below approx. 20C. If that valve is not operating due to disconnection, sticking, or clogging, cold starting is quite impaired.
2) the coolant temperature sensor, which, if it is shorted to ground or is otherwise sending a low resistance signal to the mixture controller, will cause a very lean mixture.

As nulu has indicated, the operation of the air pump clutch is normal, and in any event is not involved in the mixture preparation.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-12-2014, 12:30 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3
Thanks for the advice I will investigate....
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-12-2014, 02:42 PM
pawoSD's Avatar
Dieselsüchtiger
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 15,438
Stumbling start is most likely: Spark plugs, rotor, cap, wires, fuel pressure accumulator, or leaking injectors or vacuum/hoses under the air cleaner on top of the engine.

At high miles/age, pretty much all of that can use replacing.


As for the air injection pumps....I chopped the belt off of it on both of ours....
__________________
-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-13-2014, 12:10 PM
ILUVMILS's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 3,067
Sounds like fuel pressure bleeding off. Put a gauge on it and see if it drops overnight. If you don't have a gauge try this. At the next cold start don't crank the engine at first. Turn the key to position 2 for a few seconds then turn it off. Repeat this several times. Every time you do this the pump will run for a second or two building static pressure. If it then fires and runs smooth you'll know the pressure is dropping.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page