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Old 11-12-2017, 06:21 PM
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94 E320 2+ gallons of oil?

Either I've become a dummy or something is odd here. Far as I know the updated oil capacity is 7qts on this car? Why do you think on an oil change with filter I've added two gallons and it's just barely on the minimum amount?
2nd oil change, nothing special or modified, just an old car. Photo was after a short drive and letting it sit 3min in my driveway, oil was changed cold(I know I know). It was the exact same level as it was after running it for ten seconds or so then turning it off and letting it sit five minutes before checking like I usually do to check oil after an oil change. Should I just add a bit more and forget about it? The goal is to run it even between the min and max mark as is advised for the M104.



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Did you give the oil time to drain down from the head? Sometimes fresh oil can be hard to see on the dipstick, I had such a hard time with it on my SDL that I filed the dipstick rough so I could see where it clung! Synthetic oil is much worse about it than conventional.

If you know you added 2 gallons (like newly opened jugs instead of ones that were opened previously), go drive it around until the oil gets dirty enough to make it easier to read.
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Did you give the oil time to drain down from the head? Sometimes fresh oil can be hard to see on the dipstick, I had such a hard time with it on my SDL that I filed the dipstick rough so I could see where it clung! Synthetic oil is much worse about it than conventional.

If you know you added 2 gallons (like newly opened jugs instead of ones that were opened previously), go drive it around until the oil gets dirty enough to make it easier to read.
Yeah I let it sit five then ten minutes, I gave it a good half hour and now it's about 1/4 into the metal area between the red plastic. This was after driving it around so the oil was warm. Really weird, I guess I'll check it again tomorrow and see how it looks. Long as it's in the metal I'm OK with it, car hasn't used any oil that I've seen so far.

I learned a clean oil checking trick a while ago, lay the dipstick on a blue paper towel and pull it straight down sideways so the oil stains the paper and read it's position off that, helps with the clean oil thing.
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oil TSB

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Mercedes Service B. - 00-134, Ref 18/45

Oil level changed from 7.5 ltr to 7 ltr. with /oil filter
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:40 PM
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Mercedes Service B. - 00-134, Ref 18/45

Oil level changed from 7.5 ltr to 7 ltr. w/o filter
You know, most people online when you search for "e320 oil capacity" or such quote that in quarts not liters, and they leave out the "w/o filter" part.

Do we know what the updated oil fill capacity, with filter, is in quarts?
Based on mine I'm guessing 8.2 or so quarts.
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>>Mercedes Service B. - 00-134, Ref 18/45>>

Ltr is the correct measure for a German car.

Metric

Which is why they use it for the Technical Service Upgrade reverence for 104 engines w/HFM/SFI.


https://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToQuarts.htm
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:55 PM
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>>Mercedes Service B. - 00-134, Ref 18/45>>

Ltr is the correct measure for a German car.

Metric

Which is why they use it for the Technical Service Upgrade reverence for 104 engines w/HFM/SFI.


https://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToQuarts.htm
I was mostly asking what the capacity difference between with and w/o filter is. And I've never seen a liter of oil FS in the states. I also fill the car with us gallons of gasoline

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Good

Look in the e320 Owners manual and you will see the oil cap is in Litres.

And I was simply bringing you and others attention to the fact that there was a Benz Tech TSB for these engines with a corrected oil level.
Reason was b/c they had oil leak problems @ 7.5 ltr.

You use qts,,,Benz uses ltr.

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Old 11-12-2017, 08:08 PM
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So, we don't know the deference between an oil capacity w/o filter (which is not very useful) and that of a normal persons oil change with filter? In either measurement?

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TSB includes filter


Here are the TSB's:

TSB 18-.945

Cap change from 7.5 ltr to 7 ltr..oil/filter capacity . Notation should be changed in owners manual.

TSB 00.57A Ref. 00/134 Level Check Procedure:

Oil level should be check only after the engine is at least 80C and has sat for min of 2 min. The dipstick should then be fully inserted for at least 3 secs. The new level should not excede the 1/2 way mark between Max/Min with car on level ground.
Owners should be notified to refrain from Topping Off oil level beyound 1/2 mark.

Just do the math to convert to quarts.
7.5 ltr is just shy of 8 qts [ 7.92 qts]
7 ltr is just shy of 7.5 qts [ 7.4 ]

So, with the new TSB capacities, you are looking at approx 7-1/2 qts with filter ..MAX

And be aware...".Normal " people do use the Metric system...
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:34 PM
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That makes much more sense, the "w/o filter" part was odd, ty
Devils in the details as they say.

I'm still over the 7.39 quarts and barely over the min mark after a normal drive and check. I'll check it again tomorrow and see if it's worked itself out.



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Here are the TSB's:

TSB 18-.945

Cap change from 7.5 ltr to 7 ltr..oil/filter capacity . Notation should be changed in owners manual.

TSB 00.57A Ref. 00/134 Level Check Procedure:

Oil level should be check only after the engine is at least 80C and has sat for min of 2 min. The dipstick should then be fully inserted for at least 3 secs. The new level should not excede the 1/2 way mark between Max/Min with car on level ground.
Owners should be notified to refrain from Topping Off oil level beyound 1/2 mark.

Just do the math to convert to quarts.
7.5 ltr is just shy of 8 qts [ 7.92 qts]
7 ltr is just shy of 7.5 qts [ 7.4 ]

So, with the new TSB capacities, you are looking at approx 7-1/2 qts with filter ..MAX

And be aware...".Normal " people do use the Metric system...
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Wolf, the Owner's Manual for our 1995 E320 under the heading "Recommended engine oils" says "Engine with oil filter: 7.9 US qt (7.5 l). Hope that helps clarify for you.
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Yeah I let it sit five then ten minutes, I gave it a good half hour and now it's about 1/4 into the metal area between the red plastic. This was after driving it around so the oil was warm. Really weird, I guess I'll check it again tomorrow and see how it looks. Long as it's in the metal I'm OK with it, car hasn't used any oil that I've seen so far.
Are you sure it's the correct dipstick for the car? Was it "full" before you drained the old oil out? If so, is it possible to measure what came out?
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Are you sure it's the correct dipstick for the car? Was it "full" before you drained the old oil out? If so, is it possible to measure what came out?
Good question, I suspect it's correct given the history and condition of the car, but don't know for sure. Will try to rummage up some corroborating photos or match the number on it if it's a PN.
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it is also a good idea to have the car on a completely flat level, I get an error of about a pint when its on my slightly inclined driveway.

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