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Old 06-26-2019, 11:15 PM
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97 E320 immobilizer issues

I have a 97 E320 doner car that I'm using the engine and trans from. I'm in the process of removing all the stuff I do not need from the interior side of the harness. Somehow something shorted and blew the 50A fuse on the K40 relay and after replacing it I have a crank no start issue with fuel pressure and spark. This is indicative of an immobilizer issue.

How can I reset the DAS/immobilizer? I have the key and access to the entire harness.
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Old 06-26-2019, 11:16 PM
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Looks like this posted twice. Unsure how to delete sorry.
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Old 06-27-2019, 05:41 AM
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Would a manual help ? i have found information inside it on the alarm google this -
Model 124 Maintenance Manual Index
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Old 06-27-2019, 06:10 AM
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There isn't any reset needed.

Was the engine able to run immediately prior to the fuse clearing?

Also 97 is all to it's self in terms of DAS. A diagram for a 97 C280 / SL320 / S320 would be very similar in terms of the engine / DAS.

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Old 06-27-2019, 08:35 AM
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It's a car I'm trying to clean up the harness in to remove the engine and harness for a swap. It was running before that bus popped. I had not made any new changes to it. However I'm suspecting I need to reinstall the lock module from the passenger footwell. However I need to be sure I'm resetting it properly as I make these changes. This could be a real nightmare if I'm not careful about that.
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It's a car I'm trying to clean up the harness in to remove the engine and harness for a swap. It was running before that bus popped. I had not made any new changes to it.
Details matter here. So the car was running, fuse cleared, replaced, car won't run? As in there were no other changes? What made the fuse clear? I'm pretty sure the E320 fuse you replaced is for the electric air pump if so, it would appear someone inserted a 50A where a 40S should be.

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However I'm suspecting I need to reinstall the lock module from the passenger footwell.

If this car is a 97 with a metal key and internal RFID chip, no resetting is required nor is the lock module involved. I've swapped the engine computer, DAS box and key a few times on me SL to test used parts.

Is there an antenna ring around the ignition lock cylinder? This antenna ring leads to the DAS box to the left and behind the instrument cluster. The DAS box is about 4 " x 5 " x 1 " and is black plastic.


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However I need to be sure I'm resetting it properly as I make these changes. This could be a real nightmare if I'm not careful about that.
You really need to study a wiring diagram for this car.
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Old 06-27-2019, 06:30 PM
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Anyone know where to find a wiring diagram for this? If I could find a complete one this would be much easier.

As for what happened exactly it started and ran one night, then a few days went by and I decided to pull the column, no changes to the wiring other than disturbing it so something may have been grounded when it shouldn't. I went to start it and it didn't even want to crank so I jiggled the starter hot and both wires from the battery. I had a crank no start issue. I checked all the fuses and the 50A one on the K40 relay under the hood was blown. With that replaced no change.

I have the basic key with the key ring and the module in the dash.

If there is no immobilizer issue then something else is causing the injectors to not work.
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Old 06-30-2019, 02:55 PM
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Update on this.

I put 5 gallons in just to be sure and it's the same issue. It did fire on starting fluid.
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Old 06-30-2019, 09:03 PM
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Make sure you are getting power to the injectors, this is a +12V rail to all injectors and comes from a fuse somewhere. The computer grounds the injector to fire it.
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:19 PM
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Ok thanks for the info. I'll check that out tonight.
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Old 07-03-2019, 07:02 PM
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Tested to have 6v at the injectors in run and when cranking.
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Old 07-03-2019, 07:44 PM
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So this is telling me the immobilizer is not sending the right signal to the ECU. So frustrating how there is very little information on this.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:06 AM
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Tested to have 6v at the injectors in run and when cranking.
You should be seeing 12 V on the power side of the injector wire. You are likely picking up stray voltage. Digital meters are very sensitive and will show voltage that goes away if a load it applied.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:11 AM
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So this is telling me the immobilizer is not sending the right signal to the ECU. So frustrating how there is very little information on this.
I've given you lots of information concerning DAS. You _NEED A WIRING DIAGRAM_, a scan tool would be helpful as well.

Also, why did you work on the column with the car powered up?

Making this work isn't difficult. The greater picture is that if you can't solve this problem, whatever your conversion plans are will fail.
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:19 AM
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Thanks for letting me know I should buy a tool that costs half of what I have in the entire project. If it's really this simple I shouldn't need a tool to know how to reset the alarm and trace issues with the immobilizer.

I'd love a wiring diagram if I could find one. Unfortunately I can't.

Why was I working in the column with power on the car? I wasn't. I josseled all kinds of crusty home made starter wiring, from the PO, while removing it then powered it up. I don't even know if that 50A fuse on the K40 relay blew then but the lead to the starter was definitely not in good condition and may have shorted.

If it has 6v when it's powered on I agree that is odd. It maintained 6v while cranking. So yes that could be a short if it does in fact need 12v rather than 6.
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