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Old 07-03-2002, 12:10 PM
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Good luck with the letter and I hope the repair shop pays.
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Old 07-03-2002, 12:14 PM
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As a side note to R-134a:

Currently you can buy cans of this in the store. I've heard that this will not be the case for much longer.

The EPA is going to clamp down on R-134a just like R-12, requiring a license to buy it legally.

So, you might build up a supply now.

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Old 07-03-2002, 12:24 PM
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FWIW, a GREAT place to scavenge R12 is at your local appliance warehouse, providing they haul away old refrigerators/freezers........

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Old 07-03-2002, 12:36 PM
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Interesting. I took these numbers directly off the "red" R12 sticker in the engine-bay cross-member.

:-) neil
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Old 07-03-2002, 12:41 PM
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The problem with scavenged R-12 is that it contains oil and who knows what else...moisture; other impurities. There are ways of cleaning it up, but that's usually done by someone buying the stuff and not the appliance guy who's merely sucked it out of the frig/freezer.

In this situation, it's tough to know how much oil to run in your compressor because the juice you're about to add already has some. Too much oil is bad news for the compressor and bad news for the passenger(s)...insufficient cooling.
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Old 07-03-2002, 03:19 PM
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I have been under the impression that home appliances

used to use R22, not R12, and the former was formulated for systems with sealed compressors which required no additives to protect shaft seals, etc. Such stuff would not be good for automotive applications.
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Old 07-03-2002, 03:57 PM
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I've heard it said that some used R-12 and others used R-22. Either way, reusing extracted juice could be bad news as it would contain oil, irregardless of whether the juice was 12 or 22.
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Old 07-04-2002, 09:21 AM
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The sticker on my car (201) also says 2.2lbs or 1.0kg ), I tend to believe the sticker since it was put there by the MB factory
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