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Old 07-30-2002, 03:32 PM
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190E 2.6 info needed

As I get closer to organizing my 3.0 190E conversion, I really need some info or underhood pics of 190E-2.6s, in particular around the radiator area.

I know it's a tight fit around there, as I have today measured the 300(T)E's engine against the 190E's engine bay.
190E - distance from firewall to start of the slam panel: 820mm
300E - length of engine from block up to but not including radiator: 860mm

Is this a bit of a tight fit?? Fortunately I won't have Aircon, so don't need the extra radiator for that. Will I need a 190E 2.6 radiator, or will a 300E's radiator fit into my bay okay (with 190E 2.6 mounts)? Does my hood need to be different?


later,

Russ

P.S. 2phast if you're reading, could you email high-res versions of the pics of your underhood, or even take some of the tight-fit areas at each end/side of the engine?
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Old 07-30-2002, 11:22 PM
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I seem to recall seeing on at least one U. S. based radiator supply web site, the 260 and 300 using the same radiator part number. I may stand corrected. You might try surfing the web using something like EXCITE, looking for radiator suppliers. Look up what they offer for both the 260 & 300. It might be interesting to learn they are interchangeable.

Not sure about the other areas you inquired about; however, according to the specs. found in Robert Nitske's book "Mercedes-Benz Production Models Book 1946-1995", the biggest difference between the 2.6 and 3.0 motor is the bore. Stroke is the same. I wonder if engine height is identical? I believe there's a fair amount of room between the very top of the air cleaner assembly and the hood. It might just fit!
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Old 07-31-2002, 06:49 AM
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Thanks Mike. It's good to know the radiators are probably the same for 260E and 300E, at least I don't have to worry about which I get.
Have you noticed how the 2.6 and 3.0 share the same stroke as the 2.0 and 2.3 4-cylinders (80.25mm), as the engines are just the same but with 2 extra cylinders.. makes the job easier for me!

What I am still trying to discover though, is if a 190E 2.6 has the same radiator as the 260E and 300E. If so, then I can simply fit a 300E's radiator along with its engine.


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Old 01-28-2005, 02:37 AM
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I don't think they're the same part number, but that may be due to the mounting points/brackets.
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Old 01-28-2005, 01:04 PM
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A good source for under-hood pix is Ebay. A proud MB owner would quite likely be thorough in documenting the condition of a good specimine.

Good luck... and keep us posted on the progress of the project.

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Old 01-31-2005, 07:53 AM
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Well thanks all for the comments. Unfortunately as you can see, you are 3 years late .

And also as you see, I still sadly have a the 2.0 lump in my car.

It turned out to be too difficult (impossible in fact) to find a similarly low mileage 300E engine, and/or autobox (mine was reconditioned shortly before I decided to do this swap, but would have had to have been replaced).

And my dad (whose workshop I would hope to have used) wasn't really keen on the whole thing anyway, which is fair enough, but I'm still sad that I couldn't do it .

At least I still have the car and love it anyway . I still would like to fit another engine, and the right moment may come along one day, but for now engine swapover beasts are best limited to American Muscle cars i suppose .
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