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Old 05-05-2003, 07:06 PM
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I was under the impression that the check engine light will illuminate only if a fault code has been tripped that affects smog emissions. At least it works this way on my car, but it is OBD-I.
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Old 06-05-2003, 02:21 PM
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Dale is right. You're wasting alot of time throwing parts in that you may not need.Spend some money and have a shop plug in and retrieve complete engine data.You can have a part malfuntion without the check engine light on.Like I mentioned before,my money is on the mass air sensor.
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checked codes....nothing....
checked adaption value for m.a.s -----1.21

I am told that the engine light should trigger soon as this is not right..

can anybody please confirm if this means mas is bad.

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Old 06-05-2003, 06:29 PM
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That adaptation value does not tell you what is causing your lean mixture.

On the W124 HFM-ECM, the adaptation limit is +- 25%. So, at 1.26, the HFM module would store an Adaptation at limit fault code.

The Engine Control Module tries to keep the air/fuel mixture at the optimum level. There are numerous reasons why at times it is unable to do so, eg. Fuel injectors, vacuum leaks, electrical problems, modules etc.

Ignition Analyzer scope can give you an insight into what's going on at each cylinder, also check the adaptation values at different engine speeds. If the adaptation values are worst at idle, you probably have a vacuum problem. If it is a fuel related problem, it will probably get worse at higher engine speeds.

I suggest getting alldatadiy and familiarize yourself with the various systems of your car. Then develop theories. Based on these theories, you can design experiments and checks to collect data. Then use this data to investigate further in the direction you feel the data is pointing you, and it may lead you the cause of the problem. Sometimes thou, you may have to start eliminating various causes, including replacing parts with good known parts to see if that fixes the problem.

Hope that helps.
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Old 06-05-2003, 09:38 PM
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thank you for your response.
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Old 06-16-2003, 09:39 PM
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UPDATE.

as can be seen from my posts i had no tell tale signs of problems..ie. check engine light etc.

i had replaced a whole lot of parts and car was "breaking up" under load.

i reversed all parts replaced and only replaced the M.A.S...

the car drives as new ....no problems

LOOKS LIKE THE M.A.S IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM ON THESE CARS...CHECK IT OUT FIRST.

B.T.W: anybody want to buy 3 new coils still in box and set of 3 plug wires AT HALF THE PRICE.....
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Old 06-17-2003, 09:25 AM
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I agree with JoeP. have the values checked for the self adaptation and air mass.If you're hitting on all cylinders but slow to rev,probably it's the airmass sensor.On these cars that IS part of starting with the basics.
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