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Old 10-19-2003, 05:27 PM
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M103 91 300SE - where are the duty cycle diag pins?

I believe I've located the X11/4 diag port along the firewall (contains the LED and button) and the X11 diag port on the left fender (round connector with spin-on cover, looks like a short Diesel tach amp). Can someone confirm?

As far as reading duty cycle to determine how the fuel system is functioning, which pins do I measure? Do I need a reference ground?

I tried my DMM in duty cycle/frequency mode at X11/4 pin 3 and get sporadic readings in the 30s Hz. Sometimes it reads zero. That's with the + probe in pin 3 and the - probe loose. If I put the - probe on chassis ground or battery - post, it'll only blip to some reading other than zero for a second or two per minute.

I tried also at X11 pin 3 and get continuous readings around 81.35 Hz. 81.35 seems to be a number it likes but it'll go a little above and a little below.

Obviously I have to learn how to use this DMM to get duty cycle (another post) and more to learn about applying the theory Steve B presents in his article on evaluating engine controls. But any advice is helpful.

The specific problems with my 91 300SE are:

- vacuum is only 12"Hg at idle, capping the 4 manifold vacuum ports improves nothing

- idle speed is steady at 600 or 700rpm but the engine shakes (tolerable in N, annoying in D)

- pulling the idle air valve connector causes idle to drop to 500rpm or so, not rise. Spritzing carb cleaner around the intake manifold gasket and idle air valve hoses indicates no leaks.

No wonder I like Diesels

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Old 10-19-2003, 06:41 PM
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SELECT YOUR DMM FROM HZ TO %

sIXTO, you have to turn on your DMM dialiing to Hz- %, but push the bottom "select" to change from Hz. to % or DUTY CICLE, Then you can read % in the pin 3. The right reading has to be close to 50%. If the O2 sensor is ok, and the ECU is sending electrical signal you can adjust to 50% rotating little bit the 3 mm allen on the Mass air flow Sensor.

Refering to the vaccum values, somebody in this forum said that the right vaccum values are 20 inch water column, and you report 20 inch Hg. column, which is completely different because the Hg. density is 13.6 grams per cubic centimeter and for the water is only 1 gram per cubic centimeter.


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Old 10-19-2003, 08:19 PM
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Mario,

Thanks for the response. Did you mean pin 3 of X11 on the fender or pin 3 of X11/4 on the firewall?

I checked the thread on the MAS pot. Good info, but it seems that's a suspect when there's idle surge or fluctuating idle. I don't have any of those symptoms. Engine shakes but tach reads steady at idle. No hunting.

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Old 10-19-2003, 09:06 PM
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Pin 3 on the X11 diagnostic connector on the LH fender apron.

103 manifold vacuum at 700 RPM idle in neutral should be about 15-16" Hg.

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