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Old 11-14-2003, 01:43 PM
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My neighbor was able to pick up a very low mileage Lexus from a Dot.Com Exec. The P.O. did his own maintenance and treated his cars with TLC including Mobil 1.

The first thing my neighbor did was take the new car to Walmarts to have it serviced. It now sports a Fram filter.

It's enough to make a grown man cry! I simply do not understand why people would spend tens of thousands of dollars for a car and then worry about saving $2 on a filter or complain about having to use premium fuel.
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:15 AM
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Those Ferrari owners so piss poor after their purchase that they can only afford Fram filters.
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:09 AM
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PA2TU,

I have never seen this "white net" filter. Possibly it is only for the newer engines. When I look up filters for my Benzes at Fastlane, I see the usual MANN, Hengst, Mahle, or Bosch. All with prices $8.50 or less. Even the HUGE canister filter (Mahle) for my Porsche is only $8.
I would be interested to find out how a filter can go longer before being changed out. The filter it's self isn't going to change the amount of "dirt" in the oil. By that I mean, yes the filter could be filtering better, but wouldn't that mean it would clog up sooner?
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:18 AM
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on the posters car

the minimum called for in t he owners manual at idle is i believe about .5 bar. so i hope you can get there after cleaning everything with new oil. folks who dont change the oil really steam me.

i have looked at cars before that had the oil below the dipstick and had knocking bearings and the seller is saying that the oil is changed religeously etc. i have no patience for liars. i have stopped at convenience stores on a test drive before and added oil in pity for the poor benz. one car i drove around the block and came right back since it was clearly knocking and i didnt want to blow a rod on the test drive.

once i drove a four wheel drive (ford i think) and when i went around a corner the axle with the wheel attached came out o f the rear axle tube about 2'. i parked it and walked back tothe sellers house.

idiots!

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Old 12-19-2005, 09:16 PM
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Actually, it was at "1.5" when idling in park. It was when it was idling in drive at full temperature at 500 RPMs is when it was around .1 / .2 mark, but that was only once, after that, it was at the .3, which others have said before is normal. This is a 20 year old car, with 263K, so I do not expect it to be perfect, but since it was at "3" at 1500 RPMS, I am sure it is OK. I will know more tomorrow how the new oil helps, because I am going to drive it tomorrow when I take it to have a middle muffler installed.

OK.... here it is! The WRETCHED oil filter.It made me when I saw it. I took these photos a little while ago. Yes, it is dark out, so sorry for the low/no quality.


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the minimum called for in t he owners manual at idle is i believe about .5 bar. so i hope you can get there after cleaning everything with new oil. folks who dont change the oil really steam me.

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I think I am going to throw up.
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:23 PM
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I told you it was bad.....
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:03 PM
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Excellent. I drove the car on several trips today and the pressure is even better than it was before, which even then was right where I was told it was to be. Now, at normal operating temperature, when in drive, it is at the ".4" bar. Sometimes at the ".3" or ".5", but mainly on the .4. Also, now when it hits 1300 RPMs, instead of 1500 rpms, it is already at the "3" mark. At idle when in park, it is still on "1.5" or "1.6".



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Actually, it was at "1.5" when idling in park. It was when it was idling in drive at full temperature at 500 RPMs is when it was around .1 / .2 mark, but that was only once, after that, it was at the .3, which others have said before is normal. This is a 20 year old car, with 263K, so I do not expect it to be perfect, but since it was at "3" at 1500 RPMS, I am sure it is OK. I will know more tomorrow how the new oil helps, because I am going to drive it tomorrow when I take it to have a middle muffler installed.

OK.... here it is! The WRETCHED oil filter.It made me when I saw it. I took these photos a little while ago. Yes, it is dark out, so sorry for the low/no quality.
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:14 AM
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It's enough to make a grown man cry! I simply do not understand why people would spend tens of thousands of dollars for a car and then worry about saving $2 on a filter or complain about having to use premium fuel.[/QUOTE]


I have to agree with Bud. As inexpensive as OEM filters are on ALL the online web sites, why even dicuss Fram or Wix or any aftermarket filters. Senseless.
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:40 AM
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after the holidays, I will probably cut open one of my new mann/hecht/bosch filters and post a picture. Or better yet.... change the oil and cut open one with 3k miles on it or so. I think it should give us a good idea if the filter is decent and may be provide some comparison to FRam or others...

I have no idea what they look like inside.. I think I pay somewhere between 4.50 and 5 bucks on line for them.
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:33 PM
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Beware of naive visual comparisons which do not include

proper tests with real equipment to measure flow, trapped particle size, and other important technical aspects.
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