08-20-2012, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton
One can only look at the past and attempt to make a determination of what the future will bring. In this specific situation, I have not seen this President show any inclination to stop spending money that we don't have. Have you?
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Thank you for agreeing that you are speculating, albeit in a roundabout way. If Mr. Obama makes it to a 2nd term, we shall find out if his spending habits change. Given the circumstances of our time, a lot of spending is typical of what the .gov does, and in the circumstances it is generally a good thing.
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I note that you attempt to predict the future with a firm conviction that Willard will behave in similar fashion to his Republican predecessors. While this may certainly be true, there is a better chance that Willard is more conservative than Obama.
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Mr. Romney will do as his forbearers have done. History has shown that being a conservative president is not a very good thing. Did you know that during the period of roughly 1860 until 1932 there were only 2 Democratic presidents? During this period, following are widely accepted as recessions:
1860
1865
1869
1783
1882
1887
1890
1893
1896
1899
1902
1907
1910
1913
1918
1920
1923
1926
1929
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
72 years, a huge shaping on our government and country as aggressive thieving imperialists, and 17 recessions including the Great Depression. That’s the recent past legacy of the GOP. The current legacy is exemplified under 8 years of GW Bush, where we had 2 recessions, including the biggest one ever. IMO, the GOP is due for about a 50 year span where they can wander in what remains of the woods. Their incompetence at government management has created the biggest part of the problems we face. It’s a historical fact. If you look at more recent times, you'll find a continuation of that pattern. Nothing ever changes for these thugs.
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In your case, you predict the future based upon the behavior of other men. I predict the future based upon the behavior of the same man. Who has the better odds in their prediction?
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Neither, actually. Predictions are nebulous that way. Wanna bet on how many times out of 100 that a quarter will land heads up? Select any number of quarters you want. I bet that no matter what you predict, unless you use weighted quarters, you’ll be wrong.
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You point out weakness in the economy in various segments. All true. However, my statement was presented to you for a simple conclusion. This President cannot use the excuse of a recession to continue to spend money that he does not have.
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Simple conclusions come from simple minds. Ask Mr. Bible if you want a lap-dog response.
I understand you don’t like it but clearly Mr. Obama can use the excuse. Almost every president in the last 80 years has fabricated reason after reason to spend vast sums. That’s how the public debt got to where it is. And again, this occurred under mostly Republican presidents. The key exception to this was Roosevelt, but he was handed the Great Depression by the 2 Republican presidents that fuc*ed the country before the Ds got in office. Again, historical fact.
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The recession is definitely over by any reasonable definition, and, although revenues might not be quite what the government would prefer, they have an obligation to live within those revenues. Obama shows absolutely no inclination to do this and I believe you're disingenuous for using the weak economy to bolster his position.
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We will have to disagree on this. Or revert to insults. Your choice.
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I do agree. However, I am quite certain that another recession and/or depression will be created…
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See above. Recessions have become inevitable; historically, they are mostly due to right wing politics. In fact, historically, the country is nearly always heading towards or escaping from recessions. Thank you GOP.
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and the Chinese beginning to bail will be a catastrophe. The country as a whole is staring down at an oncoming train and nobody wants to believe the train will actually arrive
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While I understand the concern, there is not a single fact stated. This is pure fear talking. Rationalized fear at that...
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Of course you do. You simply refuse to accept it. You stand there and look at the train heading right for you.
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I can’t read minds. If you wish to make a point, kindly put it in words. BTW, the use of weak metaphors and sloppy allegories are tools of minds with considerably less capability than yours.
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Controlling (eliminating??) the deficit is the most important thing that Willard can do and there is a chance that he will do it.
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I agree there is a chance, about as much as any of the previous Republican presidents. Who was the last Republican president that reduced the public debt? Also, FWIW there is no way the public debt can be eliminated in less than about 30 to 50 years. So in that regard, there is no way, even in a plausable theory, that Mr. Romney can eliminate the public debt. ...except perhaps by Executive order, where he outlaws it.
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Your position relies on the history of the GOP which is clearly a legacy of spending.
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It is a historical fact.
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Willard will not necessarily follow that path. He has chosen a radical and rabid conservative as his running mate. Doesn't that give you some confidence that he might be serious about the deficit? If he wasn't, why tie himself to the albatross of Paul Ryan?
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I do agree that Mr. Ryan is kind of an anti-spending kind of guy, and as you know a VP is usually window dressing, unless they are a Dick Cheney pedigree VP, which are highly effective. Seriously, do you see Mr. Ryan as being highly effective or window dressing?
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One can only look at the past and attempt to make a determination of what the future will bring.
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I completely agree !!!
Last edited by link; 08-20-2012 at 10:25 AM.
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