BLAH, Blah, blah........ You need to take a lesson from Brian and learn to analyze with your brain instead of hanging on with your ego, not admitting that he has failed.

I agree, he inherited a ROTTEN situation, but if his policies were so good, we would have seen improvement. He's had almost FOUR YEARS for cryin' out loud! He has failed. PERIOD! If he had accomplished even HALF of his campaign pledges, I would be voting for him myself.

BTW, if you REALLY believe that B.O. inherited a country in the worst ruin in history, I recommend you do some study of American History.

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Remember, that for the first 2 years of his administration, Obama had complete control of the both Houses of Congress. He could have implemented whatever he chose.
He did choose---he, and the Congressional democrat leaders chose to pass --nearly in secret--that healthcare bill overhaul into law. A Law that only now beginning to see in detail. A Law, that even Obama admitted, immediately after it was passed, took over $700B from Medicare.

If the economy was so important to him, he could have acted, and passed anything he wanted. The repubs had no power to stop anything. He did take some economic actions---and he, and the dems own them. Unfortunately, for he country---those economic actions were wrong-headed, and have saddled us with crushing debt, and nothing to show for it.
Looking at the failure of his policies to improve the economy, either Obama, is the smartest man ever to hold the office---and his policies are wrong, or he intended to bring the US to the brink of economic ruin. Not much of a choice.

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All of this is true and I give kudos to Obama for managing a very difficult situation.

That being said, he shows no inclination to stop spending money, despite the fact that the recession is long over.

So, do you vote for him anyway due to the past history of the Republicans and be fairly certain that he will bankrupt the country?

Or do you take a shot and see if Willard will do what is necessary. Just because GWB was a complete idiot doesn't necessarily mean that Willard will be similar.

It seem rather obvious to me.

More intellectual honesty coming through!

Yes, GW was indeed an idiot, but B.O. has had his chance to make improvement and try to stop the hemmoraging. He hasn't done it. He has caused the patient to double the blood loss rate instead. He evidently believes that running us off the financial cliff is acceptable. It might be for him, but it is not for me.

I still think B.O. will serve a second term though.

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Yes he will.


Damn.

Don't worry about it too much! It's only fifty bucks!

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Thank you for the acknowledgement.

There are no facts to support this speculation. For that matter there are no facts to deny it. I can’t predict the future. How can you?

It is for some market segments, but not for others. I’m sure you’ll agree that, for instance real estate, both consumer housing as well as commercial properties are severely impacted. These have a *huge* impact for the economy in general, and they are still mostly sucking value rather than creating it. On the other hand, Boeing has recently received orders for about 3 years’ worth of full production, and that’s just on the commercial side. Other jet plane manufacturers are mostly doing well. This shows things are about as good as they get for that segment. So while things are great for some, there are some large market segments which have a vast impact, that are still very broken. So again, the recession is not over for some of the biggest segments.

I’m also sure you’ll agree that this has been no average recession and the shortest way out remains in some ways uncertain.



Why do you speculate this?



I have no idea what may be implied by “what is necessary.” As you agreed to above, the last 40 years legacy of the GOP’s doesn’t support a conclusion the R will do anything other than the same good ol’ boy BS which is their legacy and stated goals. They have absolutely no compelling reason to do anything different.


Me too.

Thank you. You may be correct about the need to study US History. I have both under-grad and grad degrees in History, and both with specialties in US History, but I did want to earn a PhD. That was some time ago. Anyway, fortunately for a couple of decades of college students I would have lectured, I instead discovered the many joys of running a business and making a very good living. But I do feel an occasional need to study more. It’s a nice way to kill time.

Oh, by the way, was there a point to your comment or were you just patronizing me to deflect, which is what you often do

But anyway in my studies, the US Right wing did it’s best for the country during the 19th century. Since then it has become an increasingly oppressive political organization. But that’s another story.

So yes, in the end, blah, blah blah.

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

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Unfortunately for the ones who buy what he's saying this cycle-- Hes laughing at anyone in what was the fat happy middle who's gonna vote for him--they're nothing more than fies to him, and will get their just deserts. ( see the fly on a wall thread)

One can only look at the past and attempt to make a determination of what the future will bring. In this specific situation, I have not seen this President show any inclination to stop spending money that we don't have. Have you?

I note that you attempt to predict the future with a firm conviction that Willard will behave in similar fashion to his Republican predecessors. While this may certainly be true, there is a better chance that Willard is more conservative than Obama.

In your case, you predict the future based upon the behavior of other men. I predict the future based upon the behavior of the same man. Who has the better odds in their prediction?


You point out weakness in the economy in various segments. All true. However, my statement was presented to you for a simple conclusion. This President cannot use the excuse of a recession to continue to spend money that he does not have. The recession is definitely over by any reasonable definition, and, although revenues might not be quite what the government would prefer, they have an obligation to live within those revenues. Obama shows absolutely no inclination to do this and I believe you're disingenuous for using the weak economy to bolster his position.


I do agree. However, I am quite certain that another recession and/or depression will be created if spending continues at its current pace. Another bond downgrade and the Chinese beginning to bail will be a catastrophe. The country as a whole is staring down at an oncoming train and nobody wants to believe the train will actually arrive.



The term "bankrupt" is probably incorrect as the government has the full capability to simply print money at will. What will more than likely occur is a dramatic rise in interest rates and severe inflation. This will guarantee a failure to climb out of the weakness that we currently suffer.

Of course you do. You simply refuse to accept it. You stand there and look at the train heading right for you.

Controlling (eliminating??) the deficit is the most important thing that Willard can do and there is a chance that he will do it.

Your position relies on the history of the GOP which is clearly a legacy of spending. Willard will not necessarily follow that path. He has chosen a radical and rabid conservative as his running mate. Doesn't that give you some confidence that he might be serious about the deficit? If he wasn't, why tie himself to the albatross of Paul Ryan?

Obama, however, has spent far more than any of the previous GOP administrations and there is certainly no inclination on his part to stop that behavior. His recent comments always lead one to the same conclusion. He's a tax and spend Democrat of the highest caliber.

This guy sums it up quite well. Good read.

Niall Ferguson on Why Barack Obama Needs to Go - Newsweek and The Daily Beast