Greg I agree with you! Please reread winmutt's posts he wants deposit to be price of a new centering sleeve $500 for a used centering sleeve worth $100 he wants $250. He questioned my intelligence and integrity in #3. If I give him $500 what is his incentive to return my deposit he has made $400. I told him I would deposit the price of a used one that's fair to me. I would not now even consider borrowing it and I was willing to rent it. If you are with winmutt fine. I do not agree, I am neither stupid nor dishonest. I am not going to use a centering sleeve so it's a moot point. I just do not agree with starting a post the way he did it is rude and insensitive. I do agree about the internet. I made a counter offer which was fair and close to what you suggested. Again please read the post. I have a question what is your stake in this?