Bruce the rims you have are beatiful. I tried installing them on my car but they would hit the front calipers so I couldn't. The 5 spoke ones I am talking about look like a flower more then a star. They have thicker blocks. They usually are on the 1998 and 1999 non AMG SL's. The dealer doesnt sell them anymore, anyone who has them seems to want to get rid of them so I am feeling bad about buying them now and scared I wont be able to sell them.