Hi all,

I have been offered a 55 gallon drum of this stuff. I've attached a picture of the specifications sheet.

It's 98.8% petroleum distillate and 1.2% emulsifier. My neighbor who offered it to me used to have apple trees, and used it for pest control. He told me that the purpose of the emulsifier is to allow it to mix with water, as its not used as a concentrate, but diluted. Also, if this information is of any use, he called it "Sun Spray Dormant Oil".

I was wondering if anyone had an idea if I could burn this in my diesels. It's been sitting in a gasketed drum in a weatherproof shed for years, so I'm not concerned about rain or airborne moisture in it.

Thanks in advance,

Bryan

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an emulsifier is generally a soap of some sort, not really sure what effect that would have on the injection pump.

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Thanks for the reply.

Any other opinions / input?

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Well using the one of the bits of information that I understand on the label!



The flash point seems quite high at 345 degrees F

Diesel / bio diesel etc seems to be a bit lower

Flash point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...but then vegetable oil is way higher at 621 degrees F - so may be it will burn better than VO.

Does it seem to have any lubricating properties? How viscous is it - you're meant to water it down for spraying...

...perhaps you could mix it with something else?

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Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

It has a very similar viscosity to SVO.

Does anyone have any input on the fact that it does contain an emulsifier?

Thanks for the replies,

Bryan

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1985 300TD, 240,000 miles
1972 220D, 240,000 miles w/ a stuck odometer
1984 300D, 214,000 miles
1984 300TD, 255,000 miles rustbucket parts car

Don't hold me to this, but when you make biodiesel, don't you use an emulsifier? maybe the question is the concentration. I'm not not not an expert on this, so I am asking the question so the BD and WVO users jump in and give us the info.

The only concern to me with the emulsifier, depending on concentration, would be how much it affects the overall lubricity of the fuel, which also, as correctly stated earlier, affects lubrication of the upper injection pump assembly.

Experts, please add your info. Thanks!

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As I mentioned, it's of a very similar viscosity as SVO. It's definitely noticeably thicker than diesel.

Bryan

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1984 300TD 185,000 miles
1985 300TD, 240,000 miles
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1984 300D, 214,000 miles
1984 300TD, 255,000 miles rustbucket parts car

I would suggest experimenting with this oil before trying it in the engine. First, mix the stuff 50-50 with D2 in a clear container. Are the two fluids miscible (do they mix together and stay mixed)? Let the mixture sit for a day. Does it stay mixed or does it settle out into layers?

If the mixture behaves, then try the 50-50 mix in a container connected directly to the fuel pump (like doing a diesel purge). If the engine seems happy then move on to putting it in the fuel tank. As always, keep an eye on the fuel filters.

Jeremy

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Excellent idea. I'll try it in the next few days and report back with my findings.

Thanks to all who replied,

Bryan

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1984 300D Euro 4 Speed (runs great but ugly)
1984 300TD 185,000 miles
1985 300TD, 240,000 miles
1972 220D, 240,000 miles w/ a stuck odometer
1984 300D, 214,000 miles
1984 300TD, 255,000 miles rustbucket parts car

The MSDS was easy enough to Google. Nothing jumped out at me, looks fairly harmless.

I'd definitely keep it to relatively small concentrations to avoid viscosity issues and whatever emulsifier they happen to be is. You might also have it PH tested. Some emulsifiers are acids. Is the drum it's stored in coated on the inside with anything, or bare metal? If bare metal and this stuff has been in contact for years w/ out trouble, you're probably fine.

Don't know if this helps or not, but it was an interesting read:

Insect Control: Horticultural Oils

I tried to find some good posts about people running mineral oil, but it was mostly just a lot of arguing.

Did find a few people running it though. I'll be interested in hearing how the experiments turn out.

-Rog

I think that as long as you're not going to be running the stuff as your primary fuel for an extended period of time you'll be fine. The only potential issue I can see is the emulsifier and that is so small a fraction it's probably benign. If it were me, I'd use it in small doses, maybe 20% mixed with diesel. And I'd also run 2% two stroke oil just to keep the lubricity up in case the emulsifier has some adverse effect there.

Free fuel is always a good thing.

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