They'll do just fine as long as you leave them plugged into the grid. Remember Li-on batteries require heating and cooling to keep the batteries happy, as I recall a Tesla parked in a garage and not driven 1 inch requires 4-6kw/hr per day in energy usage just to sit there.

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06 E320CDI (341K)
16 C300 (89K)
82 300GD Gelaendewagen (54K)

Can you tell me the (about) 50 ways the Bolt EV is a POS?

There are more than 370,000 pre-orders for the Model 3 (Motor Trend, July 8, 2017) not over 400,000.

Musk himself said in the beginning the cars will be heavily optioned and will cost much more.

The cost of the supercharger network is built into the Model S price and it's been reported that for the Model 3 to use that network, it will be an option that will cost thousands extra.

I think the people that put down $1000 believe they are getting a $80,000 Model S for under $30K with rebates. I expect many of those deposits to be refunded when people realize that.

The Model 3 has a range of 215 (also Motor Trend, July 8, 2017), the Bolt is 235.

California electric rates are higher but We have a very clean power grid.

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1985 300TD, CA
473 Champagner/Palomino 154/Cargo cover

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1994 Ford F150 4WD 246K (firewood hauler)
1983 Mercedes 300D 384K (diesel commuter)

Um... diesel?

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1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

dcraigk, what about the all important cost and speed of charging on plugshare? Again charging speed and cost are primary issues.

You were talking about the Bolt EV on a road trip. My mentioning PlugShare was only about using the fast charging network when on a road trip. Most of the time you should be plugging in at home with a 240V home charger.

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1985 300TD, CA
040 Schwarz/Palomino 154/3rd row seat

1985 300TD, CA
473 Champagner/Palomino 154/Cargo cover

Perhaps a used Model S for $40k is the way to go as you get free fuel for life.

I've seen a LOT of Tesla 4-door sedans here in Arizona--mostly in the Scottsdale area. It seems that 1/4 of the cars on the road are Teslas there (and the rest are Mercedes, Maseratis, and Land Rovers).

What's interesting is that in the po-dunk town of Buckeye (off the freeway connecting Phoenix to Los Angeles), there is a big Tesla charging station at the Carl's Jr. I used to deliver Propane out there because they don't have access to natural gas and everyone uses propane for heating and cooking. But they have a big Tesla charging station.

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1980 W116 300SD Turbo Diesel, DB479 Walnut Brown, Sunroof, Highly Optioned, 350,000+ Miles

I remember 20 years ago when the mood of being in a 'remote' location was ruined by a passing UPS truck. Now I regularly see Teslas (but no other EVs) on I-5 in the Central Valley and the 108/120 to Yosemite. They're charging somewhere. I'm sure I'll see a Tesla towing [electric] jet skis soon. Or with skis headed for Tahoe in winter.

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98 E320s sedan and wagon

I recently developed a small three story office building in Atlanta. Put two free charging stations in it.

My roommate works at the Sprouts Farmers Market support office in Scottsdale, Arizona and the parking garage has charging stations.

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1980 W116 300SD Turbo Diesel, DB479 Walnut Brown, Sunroof, Highly Optioned, 350,000+ Miles

Ive been interested in the 3. That and a battery wall would be ideal. Charge the car and house off peak. Two hours of active power use in the morning and five or six in the afternoon then charge off peak.

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Some people are awfully desperate to find any negatives to EVs in general, Teslas in particular. It's cute in a sad, pathetic sort of way. I guess the same thing happened toward the end of horse and buggy days.

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Amen! It's the inevitable. Don't get me wrong, I love diesels, but EVs just make so much sense.

(hopefully hydrogen dies off quietly)

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1977 280> 300D - 500,000km+ (to be sold...)
1984 240TD>300TD 121,000 miles, *gone*
1977 250 parts car
1988 Toyota Corona 2.0D *gone*
1975 FJ45>HJ45
1981 200>240D (to be sold...)
1999 Hyundai Lantra 1.6 *gone*
1980s Lansing Bagnall FOER 5.2 Forklift (the Mk2 engine hoist)
2001 Holden Rodeo 4JB1T 2WD

electric motors will need maint. too,or get to the point of junking vehicle.Solar Flare,Gamma ray burst,or nukes could rend them undrivable.An Old diesel with out electronics,fuel could be made.

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