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Could bad shutoff keep engine from starting?
Well, this sucks. Couldn't get the SD started this morning, it's been getting progressively worse over a few days, have GP's on order even though only one tests bad with the meter, but the this morning it just won't start. Run it through a few GP cycles, can hear the relay clicking off, no go, double check the fuse, rebleed it for grins while it's jumped to another car recharging, no go, start to wonder if something happened to the compression, for the hell of it I pull the brown shutoff vac line out of the main vac line, and it starts!
Check under the dash, and sure enough there's oil at the switch, so looks like I'll be replacing the shutoff, but has anybody heard of it failing in a way that keeps it from starting? Went to the ******** site, is it also called a shutoff solenoid or am I looking at the wrong part? While doing searches I see a number of people talking about oil coming from failing vac pump, but I'm confused how oil could be going out the line against the incoming air that's pumping into that thing? To top it off while opening the hood to use the shutoff lever I break the stinkin' lever off! For now if I wedge it just right it'll pull the cable, but sure didn't need that on top of the other problems ![]()
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If there is oil in the dash coming from the vac line to the ignition switch I think there's some very bad vacuum pump problems going on!
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O.K. answered some of my own questions, yes it is sometimes called a shutoff solenoid, yes a few people have had starting problems related to the valve.
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oil at ignition switch
This is gonna sound crazy,but I had an '84 SD that pulled oil up to the Ign.Sw.
and from there to the A.C. controller. 'cleaned everything up as best I could and replaced the vacuum shutoff on the back side of the Injection Pump.(put a Primary/clear/V.W. fuel filter in the line between the ign.sw. and the I.P. shutoff to give me some advanced warning in the future.) Vacumm is a wonnerful thing, BUT eventually everything ends up at the PUMP. To answer your original question: The vacuum shutoff's default (without vaccuum applied) [or a "BAD" shutoff] position is only waiting for the starter to apply R.P.M.s after the Glow Cycle...COMPRESSION BASED IGNITION! Last edited by compress ignite; 05-01-2005 at 12:29 AM. |
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I can guarantee you that you can have a good vacuum pump and oil under your dash, when your IP shutoff valve dies. Ask me how I know.
You can put a mityvac on that line going to it and find out easy enough. Those things are $40, read the warnings about run-away engines prior to doing the job so you do it right. I did a whole thread about this, lots of info here. My guess is the shutoff valve is toast.
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The vac stuff seems normal, no hard brakes, can hear actuators going in response to A.C. settings, pretty sure it's the shutoff. But still confused as to some of the search results where there are concerns about oil coming up the line from the pump, I can see how it would go from the I.P. to the pump, but the other way? Guess I'll be getting a Mityvac, the guy I used to borrow one from at work quit....
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When you shut the car off, the pump is done creating vacuum. But there is still vacuum in the system (via checkvalves), that's how your locks still work for awile, ect. This vacuum sucks oil right up to the ignition switch, that's where it goes next if the shutoff valve is leaking oil. First-hand experience here.
I cleaned out the lines with brake cleaner, worked great. Make sure they are dry before reassembling. I also replaced the rubber connectors which had gotten quite soft in several places. Ensure the shutoff valve goes in correctly (potential run-away engine!!!!!!!) if you find that to be the source of your issue. Check the top of your radio for oil!
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