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non-MB: Diesel EGR cooler?
http://www.toyota-industries.com/environment/product/engine.html
"So that the diesel engines we develop will meet European exhaust emission regulations STEP III (Euro III), we have adopted the swirl control valve (SCV), which is a first among Toyota diesel engines, a diesel throttle, and the EGR gas electronic control with EGR cooler. Through these measures, reductions in NOx and particulate matters (PM) have been achieved." Sixto 93 300SD 3.0 |
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I believe the newer MB/Dodge Sprinter's have cooled EGR valves.
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An EGR cooler reduces intake charge temps. This makes EGR more effective at controlling NOx. This allows automakers to use less EGR and meet the same emissions or use the same amount of EGR and meet more stringent emissions.
It also ups the power slightly (when EGR is used) because less heat energy is lost to the cooling system and more of it stays in the gas where the piston can extract work from it.
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VW TDI's have EGR coolers too, and there's a recall on them for the '04 and '05 model years due to potential internal leaks. So far mine has been ok.
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Have you guys Heard of anyone upgrading the OM603 turbo engine with a EGR cooler?
Any ideas on doing so? Tks, Oldbeaver |
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Be sure that the cooler doesn't corrode and start feeding your engine coolant
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VWs TDIs have had cooled EGRs since the 1997 model year. Cooler gas = less NOx. Our Passat has 2 EGR circuits, and IIRC 2 coolers
IMHO NOx isn't that big of an issue. Adding a cooled EGR to a 603 probably make a huge difference. The major pollutant on these engines is probably HC and particulate matter. -J
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Diesels actually make little HC (or CO) and the PM is only a concern because PM carries non-particulate bound organics which are carcinogens. Lower PM and you lower the organics. The part you see is just carbon. You are right that cooler gas = less NoX. But NoX IS a big deal. It's the catalyst in photochemical smog and is REALLY toxic. Diesels make a ton of it. NoX is a formed by temperature, pressure, and time. Diesels have high combustion chamber temps, LOTS of pressure, and relatively longer times due to the relatively low engine RPMs compared to Otto-cycle engines. Much of the development in the Diesel engine field has been aimed at reducing NoX for those reasons. Just FYI - I'm retired from the EPA where I was a tech working on Diesel aftertreatment development as well as EGR applications. Dan |
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Dan,
Cool! I had read a number of studies suggesting that NOx isn't as bad as was originally thought. I meant to say that adding a cooler to a 603 won't make a huge difference -J
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I wouldn't add any emissions equipment unless I had a regulatory agency making me. Some folks here disable their EGR because running without is better for the engine. Whether this is legal varies depending on where you are.
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Again speaking generally (not necessarily about Mercedes) most modern engines are calibrated for EGR and disabling it does NOT help the engine. In fact, it can cost you fuel economy, again because the engine is calibrated for it. To properly remove EGR involves changing the cam, reprogramming the computer (at least in Otto-cycle engines), and other smaller mods (thermostat temp change, etc.). Sometimes even the compression ratio is tailored for EGR.
On our older Diesels I suspect that removing the EGR probably helps keep the intake tract cleaner and lowers intake temp - always a good thing. I do not have EGR on my 617 in the S-10 but it is race-only and will never see a mile of road duty. As stated, local and state regulation will effect the legality of that mod. An interesting tidbit - on Otto-cycle engines installing a high-overlap cam (common in performance applications) ADDS EGR in a passive manner. In areas that accept an exhaust test as proof that an engine is "clean" it's one of the things that is done to lower NoX - and it works. Coupled with an oxydizing cat to clean up HC and CO (like the generic CATCO cats available from Summit or Jegs) and you can pass almost any car assuming that the engine is in good condition. Dan |
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On the other hand, the Heep doesn't have an EGR and passes emissions just fine
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