Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-14-2007, 10:29 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12
83' 240D clutch just went out! slave cylinder?

I had a guy tell me it was probably the slave cylinder...? The clutch slowly went out over a period of one day...help!!!

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-14-2007, 10:59 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,263
If it's the slave cylinder, you'll be losing fluid. Check that first.

I've had a number of master cylinders fail over the years, but I have yet to lose a slave cylinder before it was replaced as part of a clutch job.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-14-2007, 11:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 18,350
Check your fluid level. Low fluid starves the clutch before the brakes.
__________________
1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-14-2007, 11:40 PM
t walgamuth's Avatar
dieselarchitect
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Lafayette Indiana
Posts: 38,627
yeah, and specifically it is the rear section of the brake master cyl res that supplies the clutch.

also you can lose the clutch master and not have any leaks. it can be an internal leak like a brake master cyl.

if it is the clutch master you will be able to pump up the clutch and get action. but if you sit at a light with the clutch depressed it will slowly engage and the car starts to take off.

tom w
__________________
[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-27-2007, 12:12 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12
fluid was low in the rear of the brake resovoir. can the master cylinder can go bad without any leaks?... Or because the brake resovoir is low the slave is leaking fluid.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-27-2007, 12:28 PM
yellowbenz's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 643
check under the dash

Remove the lower panel and feel the clutch master cylinder. It is probably wet with brake fluid. The undersurface of the floor mat will probably be wet as well.

Kevin
1979 240D manual
1984 190D manual
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-27-2007, 12:30 PM
LarryBible
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Even if the reservoir level goes below the clutch bleed port, if there are no leaks in the clutch hydraulics it will still work and continue to work. You most likely have a leak.

I find it quite fascinating that someone could diagnose this problem as the slave cylinder without having seen the car or gotten further information. Quite impressive.

Before I effected repairs based on this long distance diagnosis, I would investigate for myself. Begin by seeing if there is any brake fluid on or under the drivers side floor mat. If so, the problem is most likely the master cylinder. If not, the slave cylinder should be checked next. Pull it out of it's mount and see if any fluid has made it past the piston.

Also, when checking the master cylinder, ensure that the hose has not slipped off the top.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-27-2007, 12:55 PM
justinperkins's Avatar
I ♥ German Cars
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Austin
Posts: 1,312
Is the clutch operated mechanically through linkage or is there a cable involved? Probably no cable since nobody mentioned it, but that's my two cents on the matter

I've had a clutch literally explode on me once (the rivets holding the clutch springs broke). Still drivable though, sans clutch.
__________________
-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-27-2007, 01:58 PM
yellowbenz's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Posts: 643
Justin, these clutches are hydraulic with master and slave cylinder configuration. No cable means no adjusting like my old VW, but also means another system to maintain. Don't get me wrong, I think it is better but man is it a pain to get under the dash and replace.

Kevin

1979 240D manual
1984 190D manual
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-27-2007, 02:20 PM
justinperkins's Avatar
I ♥ German Cars
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Austin
Posts: 1,312
Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowbenz View Post
Justin, these clutches are hydraulic with master and slave cylinder configuration. No cable means no adjusting like my old VW, but also means another system to maintain. Don't get me wrong, I think it is better but man is it a pain to get under the dash and replace.

Kevin

1979 240D manual
1984 190D manual
You could still have a cable that operates a slave cylinder.
__________________
-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-27-2007, 02:36 PM
LarryBible
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
There are NO cables. There is a master cylinder above the clutch pedal that is fed by a hose that leads to the brake master cylinder reservoir. The line out of the clutch m/c leads to the slave cylinder that is mounted on the bell housing portion of the transmission. No cable or mechanical linkage saving for the clutch pedal arm and the throwout arm in the bell housing.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-27-2007, 03:03 PM
justinperkins's Avatar
I ♥ German Cars
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Austin
Posts: 1,312
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryBible View Post
There are NO cables. There is a master cylinder above the clutch pedal that is fed by a hose that leads to the brake master cylinder reservoir. The line out of the clutch m/c leads to the slave cylinder that is mounted on the bell housing portion of the transmission. No cable or mechanical linkage saving for the clutch pedal arm and the throwout arm in the bell housing.
Thanks Larry, that answered my curiosity.
__________________
-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-27-2007, 04:20 PM
bgkast's Avatar
Rollin' on 16s
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 6,528
There could be a hole in the hydraulic line. That is how mine failed. New line was $125 from the dealer.
__________________
1979 240D- 316K miles - VGT Turbo, Intercooler, Stick Shift, Many Other Mods - Daily Driver

1982 300SD - 232K miles - Wife's Daily Driver

1986 560SL - Wife's red speed machine
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-08-2007, 09:26 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12
I replaced my master cylinder and bled the system, I thought I had fixed the problem, three weeks later same problem (the system was leaking down). so I replaced the slave. the old slaves piston was real sloppy, seemed worn out. for sure the slave was the problem.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page