didn't ol' rudolph diesel design the diesel engine to run off of peanut oil from the get go??

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First, he intended to use coal dust as a fuel. Peanut oil was his second choice.
Second, the first sucessful diesel engine shares very little in common with late 20th century diesels.
Third, Dr. Diesel did not design Mercedes' diesel engines, Mercedes did.

I wonder how my IP would handle coal dust?

Probably won't hurt any more than WVO, our engines were made for it.

LOL, you try first and let me know how it goes.

Trucking companies use WMO, or at least I had a long talk with one maintenance foreman that did - it was during the first gas crunch & they had so much of it from oil changes. He was very concerned about the fine particles, and bought a centrifuge to run it through. He then added it to the fuel, probably just dumped it in the main depot tank.

Centrifuges aren't cheap, but are available -- big boats often use them to process all the fuel before using, to remove dirt & water. There should be some available as marine surplus ....

Smaller ones are available for use on trucks. If you rigged a high pressure/flow pump to one of these, you could probably do a few gallons a day if you run it all through it a few times.

For those that don't know what a centrifuge is:

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This setup processes about 55 gallons in 3 hours.

At todays prices that is somewhere near $160 worth of fuel.

The total cost of this setup was $400.

Plus a minimal amount of electricity to run the 1/3 hp motor, $0.60 per 55 gal.

The 81 Mercedes I bought from eBay and fixed cost me $810.

So the car and the centrifuge setup have paid for themselves several times over already.

Plus the many other benefits like : lower emissions, using a renewable energy, no dependence for fuel, less carbon usage, etc...

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OK, lets see any of these that have been destroyed by WMO.

I only know of a few people who have done long term studies into using WMO as fuel and they have not reported any destruction of these parts.

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Which of your car was meant to run on the fuel you get at the pumps today?

I am sure that in the 1980's Mercedes Benz did not make any cars that were meant to run on ultra low sulfur diesel.

By your logic we would all have to park our cars, or start making our own fuels.

Some of us do make our own fuel additives.
I wonder what is closer to Mercedes Benz specifications for these cars?
Ultra low sulfur diesel fuel, or vegetable oils?

I guess we would have to send samples to a lab and find out.
I have a real good Idea which one is going to meet the lubrication specifications.

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The two engines are quite simmilar.
And Robert Bosch adapted Rudolph's mechanical pump and injection systems for his engines.

You may want to actually read about, or know somthing about, what you try to state as facts.

This is a quote from Wikipedia.
Just an easy place to reference there are many others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_bulb_engine#Differences_from_the_Diesel_Engine

From the section titled "Differences from the Diesel Engine"

The hot-bulb engine is often confused with the diesel engine, and it is true that the two engines are very similar. Aside from the obvious lack of a hot-bulb vaporiser in the diesel engine, the main differences are that:

The hot-bulb engine uses both compression-ignition and the heat retained in the vaporiser to ignite the fuel.
The diesel engine uses just compression-ignition to ignite the fuel, and it operates at pressures many times higher than the hot-bulb engine.
Due to the much greater and longer-term success of the diesel engine, today hot-bulb engines are sometimes called 'semi-diesels' or 'semi diesel' because they partly use compression-ignition in their cycle.

There is also a detail difference in the timing of the fuel injection process:

In the hot-bulb engine, fuel is injected into the vapouriser during the Induction Stroke as air is drawn into the cylinder.
In the diesel engine, fuel is injected into the cylinder in the final stages of the Compression Stroke.
However, Diesel's original engine design used compressed air to blast the fuel into the cylinder. This complex and heavy system limited the speed the engine could run at and the minimum size a diesel engine could be built to. This was needed to inject fuel under sufficient pressure for it to enter the highly compressed air in the cylinder. In hot-bulb engines fuel is injected before compression takes place, allowing a lighter, more accurate injection system to be used. Only when Akroyd-Stuart's mechanical pump-and-injector system that he developed for his hot-bulb engine was adapted by Robert Bosch for use in diesel engines (by making the system run at a much higher pressure) were high-speed diesel engines practical.


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Just keep in mind rich... this is coming from a guy, in his own signature, says he runs water and methanol injection. I dont remember that as part of Diesels initial use either.

Do as I say.... not as I do.

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That's an easy one, ULSD meets the ASTM specs for diesel fuel (including lubricity), which is exactly what these engines were designed to run on (not peanut oil, coal dust, or anything else). I work with commercial facilities that use large stationary diesels (4-7000 HP), and they do send a sample of each fuel delivery to the lab prior to accepting delivery. They are currently using ULSD in diesel engines, many of which were designed and built in the 60s. I have seen the lab results for ULSD, and it does meet the ASTM standards, just like the ULSD at the pumps. The biggest issue is that the energy content is typically 1-2% lower than the old stuff. I'm still waiting for someone to have their homemade WVO or BD analyzed.

Guys, if you want to run WVO, used oil, or whatever, in your engine to save a few dollars, have a ball; it's your engine and your money. Just don't try to tell the rest of us that it's good for the engine, at best you haven't done any significant damage so far. I would recommend using commercial BD that meets the current MB recommendations and appropriate specs (currently B5, I believe), beyond that you are on your own.

Mine uses Diesel #1/2, what the manual calls for.

The fact is that NONE of that water or methanol passes through the injection pump. Learn the basics before you make remarks like that.

I am quite aware of that. So I dont need to be preached to about the basics. But you spin as you feel you need to fit your needs.

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1983 300D Turbo 260,000 Miles
1984 300D Turbo 345,000 Miles (sons car)
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1998 Ford Expedition 5.4l (fer Haulin'!) 145,000
1973 19' SeaRay with 115 Mercury TOWER OF POWER!
Club Car Golf Cart 36V
Ex toys:
1967 Mustang 289 (First Car)
Fiat 124TC
1975 Honda CVCC
1980 Audi 5000 Turbo