617 Valve adjustment turned into a nightmare.:( - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

82300sd · #31 04-23-2008, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MBeige

The non turbo is more common than the turbo which is the most desired of the diesels. So the prices tend to soar if you want to get a used turbo engine and considering they only made that engine in the US and in very rare European cases, it's not too common to have them in Manila. Even if labor is cheap the cost of the new engine offsets it so it balances out. Tough choice huh?

You are right Pat. And with a few choices, chances of getting a bad engine is high. A total rebuild would cost about $1,500 including labor and you are sure that everything inside is good.

Pat, would a surplus 617 turbo fit in a Balikbayan box?

MBeige · #32 04-23-2008, 03:40 AM

Bong, check your PM

82300sd · #33 04-23-2008, 03:45 AM

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Bong I guess at this point it's safe to say there probably wasn't anything wrong - everything was done right - but maybe the timing chain was just at the point of breaking and it was just the right time for it to go. Sadly that equates to being the wrong time for it to break for you.

How many miles does your car have?

I am also leaning to that conclusion that they did everything right except for the advice to retain the chain.

I don't know what is the real milage of the car but the condition is it has a little blowby, starts great, is powerful enough to do 60mph in 20 secs. since the turbo was fixed, and goes 24mpg. The valve adjustment should have made an improvement on 0-60 and suddenly... something snapped!

Oh well, I'm going to the shop later and find out how she's doing.

MBeige · #34 04-23-2008, 03:50 AM

60mph in 20 seconds sounds too long. Hopefully once you get the top overhaul done it'll be closer to 15. I remember that turbo problem you had too. 24mpg is very good for conditions back there!

Keep us updated!

Stevo · #35 04-23-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 82300sd

That is why the mechanic is very cautious when he turned the sprocket so as not to affect timing. They claimed that it should have not started and idled smoothly if something was wrong.

Yes, true, I didn't read the post correctly, It would have had too be off a couple teeth in which case she wouldn't have fired off anyway. It is easy to install that sprocket backwards, not much difference.

Diesel911 · #36 04-26-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 82300sd

That observation is so true. You just have to choose a newer model of taxi to flag down.

And even if a doctor has "murdered" a patient, they usually get away with it.

My Wife also tells me there is a shortage of Doctors. The good ones get jobs in other countries.

82300sd · #37 04-28-2008, 11:39 AM

I just got my car back. Thanks for all your replies. The good thing is that it does not smoke anymore at idle.

However, I noticed that it seems to accelerate slower than before. Is it possible that after replacing the chain they retimed the IP which affected my acceleration? Can I adjust the ALDA again to prep it up?

I also hear knocking on the engine at idle which I presume is from the injector and I saw some fuel leaks at the first and third injectors. Could that be the cause of the knocking sound?

Also, I just did an emission test today, which is required prior to renewing yearly registration and the car scored .69k on the opacimeter test. I don't know what the value means but it passed with 4 being the highest value allowable.

Thanks in advance on your opinions, comments, and suggestions.

82300sd · #38 04-28-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

My Wife also tells me there is a shortage of Doctors. The good ones get jobs in other countries.

OT: The shortage of doctors are probably happening in rural areas. But in the city, there are a lot of good doctors. Specialists abound in every area of expertise. The best ones are already established and are here to stay since they can command a hefty fee. The good ones are probably trying their luck in other countries to further study and be a specialist and eventually come back here to establish a rewarding profession.

1983/300CD · #39 04-28-2008, 12:09 PM

So, if you paid an anesthesiologist...
hmmm

Sounds like trouble.

MBeige · #40 04-28-2008, 05:37 PM

Bong, can you tell us what was done?

The anesthesiologist may be of help in dealing with the bill...

tobybul · #41 04-28-2008, 06:17 PM

I guess I'll chime in there, too, Pare'. As implied above, its a bit different dealing with issues like this in Manila. For one, businesses there do not usually have the resource to guarantee their work like they do here in the US. And rather than rely on the legal system, its best to talk and negotiate. I think you will get a lot farther with discussing and negotiating the matter.

With that said, it just too much of a coincidence for the chain to break right after the work was done. We can theorize all we can as to the cause but imho, it had to have something to do with what they did. If that happened here, it safe to say that the shop will make it right for you.

Where did you have this done? Was this the MB dealer? My brother-in-law brings his 260E and 190E to a small shop in New Manila. He seems to be happy with the work but I don't think he has had anything major done.

Correct me if I am wrong but because of how cheap labor rates are in Manila, not too many MB owners really tinker with their vehicles, right?

MBeige · #42 04-28-2008, 06:29 PM

@Tobybul, I can answer some of your questions. Yes, with the cheap labor costs it's just easier to take it to your local/favorite shop and have them work on it rather than you doing it yourself. At least that's my general feeling of how things work back there and also from feedback I've received from the members of the club.

I think he was able to resolve the problem since he got it back already but let's see what's what with any updates on it. I would like to know what exactly the shop did to the engine to fix the problem.

It's pretty early in Manila right now so let's wait a few more hours

Diesel911 · #43 04-28-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 82300sd

I just got my car back. Thanks for all your replies. The good thing is that it does not smoke anymore at idle.

However, I noticed that it seems to accelerate slower than before. Is it possible that after replacing the chain they retimed the IP which affected my acceleration? Can I adjust the ALDA again to prep it up?

I also hear knocking on the engine at idle which I presume is from the injector and I saw some fuel leaks at the first and third injectors. Could that be the cause of the knocking sound?

Also, I just did an emission test today, which is required prior to renewing yearly registration and the car scored .69k on the opacimeter test. I don't know what the value means but it passed with 4 being the highest value allowable.

Thanks in advance on your opinions, comments, and suggestions.

It depends on what is leaking. Leaking return hoses will not cause knocking. Leaking injection line nut/injector body is a different story.
If the knocking is comming from #1 cylinder this is the delivery valve they would have had to mess with if the retimed the IP. Even when your are being careful it is easy to get dirt or other contamination in that area that will work on up to the injectors.

lietuviai · #44 04-28-2008, 10:57 PM

In case anyone wondered what a Balikbayan box is. I did.

LINK

82300sd · #45 04-29-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MBeige

Bong, can you tell us what was done?

The anesthesiologist may be of help in dealing with the bill...

Camshaft, camshaft bearing, railings, sprocket, tensioner, and chain was replaced. Oil changed with pan removed. I have not seen the complete bill yet since they delivered it to me so I can test it out.

What I noticed is it feels sluggish on take off. 1st injector nut is leaking maybe causing the knocking. I also feel that fuel economy dropped as my needle drops faster. I know because this is my daily driver.

I also noticed that smoke is gone when idling. Could be because they also retimed the ip. Can I adjust the ALDA to perk it up again?