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![]() You'll be singing a different tune once you get on it and hear that sweet, flat 6 scream. The 606 is a fantastic engine, its my favorite MB diesel.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa7grxe936M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YySrCrAHVq0&feature=related A diesel can't do that... ![]()
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The OM606 and W210 have some flaws, but I agree overall they're great and mine is the best MB diesel I've owned so far. Ideally though, I'd like a CDI or Bluetec. Those are another huge step forward from the OM606.
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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual) Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL |
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I love the sound of the OM60x engines. The 3.5 liter has a deeper growl to it compared to the rest, though.
It's been awhile since I owned one, but the OM603/606 remind me of the sound of the old M110 when you flogged it. 2 cars ago, I had a Euro 1985 280SEL in my stable. Didn't really start to "accelerate" until 5K + revs at WOT. What a peaky engine that was!
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No one cares.
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Forget the 911. The Cayman is way more fun.
210 and 211 are nice, but the steering is strange. Not nearly as natural as the previous cars with RB. I still want a 210, but the spring perch issue will forever keep me out of one...How can I ever take the car anywhere with any confidence when there is a chance a spring pops out? That's a real show-stopper if one is on vacation. Maybe a 4Matic. But only a post 2000: ![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp2N0gce0-k That doesn't cut it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqMEGA76HsE More like it.
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'90 300SE 298k -300K and it gets put into retirement. '80 300D 255k Purchased new by family in 1980. Had a: 1973 220 (gas) 1980 300SD 1992 400E |
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Now that the spring perch issue is more or less routine more and more shops know how to handle them and fix them, so if you have one which rusts you can just have it repaired. I had the driver's side start to fail and had it fixed earlier this year. The passenger side is still OK but I do check it periodically. If it starts to show signs of separation I'll have it fixed too. Nobody has ever lost control of a car as a result. According to people I have spoken to a failed perch while you are driving is less traumatic than a blowout. Hardly a reason not to buy an otherwise great car.
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How much does it cost to reattach the perch? From what I've read, one can only truly inpect the perch by removing the sealant?
You have a point...but there is something unsettling about that type of failure. I have a soft spot for the model. I lived in Germany/Austria when they were the de facto taxi. Trying to convince myself that it is a better car than the 126. (see crash video..)
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'90 300SE 298k -300K and it gets put into retirement. '80 300D 255k Purchased new by family in 1980. Had a: 1973 220 (gas) 1980 300SD 1992 400E |
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It's def better than ANY model before it. You've ridden in one so you know.....its even better if you're driving.
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Terry Allison N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama 09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA) 09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.) |
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My OM606 would be a lot easier to care for without all of the engine electronics and the W210 suspension is too stiff (even with new Bilstein shocks). If I wanted a sports car, I'd buy the Porsche. My W124's suspension is much more comfortable, IMHO.
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![]() "Buster" in the '95 Our all-Diesel family 1996 E300D (W210) . .338,000 miles Wife's car 2005 E320 CDI . . 113,000 miles My car Santa Rosa population 176,762 (2022) Total. . . . . . . . . . . . 627,762 "Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz." -- Janis Joplin, October 1, 1970 |
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The Cayman is a great car, if you can't afford a 911... zip flame suit on.
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In my case the dealer had M-B goodwill the repair, but I was lucky in that I had just placed an order for a new C300 which was being built when the separation occurred so they used my loyalty as an excuse to convince M-B to cover it. I have since developed a decent relationship with the dealer's service and parts departments because it meant a lot to me that they covered a repair like that on a 10 year old car (that I didn't buy from them). My understanding is the repairs would cost on the order of $800-$1100 per side if they are paid for by the customer. They are not done by the dealers but by body shops in most cases, as was the case with my dealer. As I said, the failure of these sounds more traumatic than it actually is. That is probably why the NTSB hasn't ordered M-B to recall them. If you look at the suspension you will see that you really can't lose control of the car if the perch fails. The UCA and LCA remain intact and the side would just drop a few inches until the range of motion stops were encountered. After hearing about what it is like to lose one while driving I think the danger is greater to other cars in the road where the springs eject into traffic than it is to the occupants of the W210 which loses the spring. Especially on an undivided 2-way highway. Imagine having one of those front end springs shoot out at you at 65 MPH!
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My current daily driver is an 84 300SD. I sold my previous 85 300TDT to my little brother. This weekend I picked up a 97 e300d and drove it home 16 hours (thanks to Zackb911 for hosting me).
The 210 is worlds above the 126/123. I love the simplicity of the 126/123 and the ease of working on them. However, for many other things, the 210 just outdoes them. Mileage, handling, performance, conveniences -- those are all aspects that gained from the additional decade of technological advances that show up on the 210. That was the exact reason I bought the car -- to try to convert my wife to a Mercedes diesel that wasn't slow or old school or "quirky". Now I'll still drive my daily driver 300SD but when we go out together on date night and take her e300, I can't say I won't be tempted to jump ship. Also, I do have to qualify all this by saying that I am still in the honeymoon period with the 97 e300 and I haven't had to do any maintenance or work on it. I'm sure I'll curse it later -- like I have my other Mercedes diesels and American gassers. But for right now, I hope my wife takes the bait. .....Dan
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