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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual) Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL |
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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual) Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL |
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IMO the W123/W126 cars are only good if you are nostalgic about that style. Once you look at them objectively, the W210's or newer are head and shoulders above the older cars. While some things like servicing the injectors is more difficult on the OM606 engine, other things are simpler IMO compared to the older cars, such as replacing the accessory belt.
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In real world conditions, it's hard to beat the safety cell passenger cage integrity of a W123/W124/W126.
Compare photos of earlier cars vs newer ones, and see which ones appear to protect their occupants better, then report back. The newer cars absorb energy worlds better than any of the earlier models with their larger and more plentiful crush zones. Stiff does not always equal better. I am really impressed with the 211's and 203's performance, though. And for those that have W210's and consider them far superior than any of the earlier models made by MB...There are some things that are better such as lighter steering, wonderful convenience features, plus easier repairs). But the suspension is jostly, the visibility is relatively poor (dash rises too high, and the B-Pillar gets in the way of your rearward-side vision when merging), and the high-speed stability (110 +) is a little quirky (you have to correct the steering far too much). It doesn't feel like a Benz, to me...And that's why I don't have one, anymore.
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Like I said the MB's of the 80's were very safe for their day, probably the safest at the time, but today just about any new car of the same size is safer than that. For starters the W123/W124/W126 had no side air bags and no passenger front bags except the late W124. Airbags do make a big difference. Plus in general today's crumple zones are a lot better than in the old days. As far as the things you mentioned about the W210, my personal experience is that the visibility is great and no worse than in previous cars. Ditto for the suspension and high speed stability, in fact I'd say the W210 is better. What's especially better is the comfort, refinement and engine efficiency.
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W123 look like cars, the W210 look like somethin else.
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I'd also point out that just about all W123 and early W126 diesels that I see on the roads have no rear headrests. That's very dangerous for the rear passengers in a rear collision and it's one reason I got rid of my W123's.
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The W210 is not better than the W126, its far more modern, but better, nope. They both drive similer on the highway.
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The W210 is the biggest E-class ever made. So big in fact that Mercedes decided to downsize its successor the W211 because it was eating into S-class sales, or so I have read. The W140 is of course somewhat bigger than the W210, but not by a whole lot and it shares many of the interior parts.
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The W140 doesn't share any W210 interior parts. Different animals.
MB spent a bit over $1,000,000,000 devloping the W140 back in the late 80's, totaly different from the W210.
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Compare the early W210 to the late W140. The steering wheel, gear selector, radio, climate control and maybe a few other parts look identical.
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MB used the same climate control and radio in all their cars, C and SL as well. Although the SL only had one zone.
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I love my w210, and the om606 is a stupendous engine... but nothing beats a 911. The Porsche 911 is the perfect car. 2 years ago my dad called me because he was considering a Toyota Solara Cabriolet. I told him he was nuts... for 1/2 the money he could have a near perfect 911 cab that would barely depreciate. Then I found him a car, then he bought it. He has never looked back. As a reward for my, err, clear thinking, I took the car on a 800 mile camping trip last fall. Easily the greatest driving experience of my life. The sounds! Oh man... what an engine! Above 5k, it literally shrieks. I changed the O2 sensor & head temp sensor this spring. Now averaging 26.5 mpg. Almost identical to my e300d's mileage (27.8). But yes, the om606 is an awesome engine... especially for a diesel.
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