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Old 05-08-2009, 09:16 AM
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I understand about the smoke dispersal when moving but if get home after a 30 min. drive and put it in park and lay on the accelerator for a second or two and let off I normally see very little smoke. In this particular instance, after idling for 15 minutes or so, I would see a lot of smoke after stepping on the accelerator in park. So I was curious if oil could get into the turbo while idling (little air flow) and then when winding up the RPM's the oil would be injected into the intake causing the smoke? Also, in this instance when I went for a drive after the idling, smoke was MUCH more apparent even with the dispersal.
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Old 05-08-2009, 11:42 AM
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I understand about the smoke dispersal when moving but if get home after a 30 min. drive and put it in park and lay on the accelerator for a second or two and let off I normally see very little smoke. In this particular instance, after idling for 15 minutes or so, I would see a lot of smoke after stepping on the accelerator in park. So I was curious if oil could get into the turbo while idling (little air flow) and then when winding up the RPM's the oil would be injected into the intake causing the smoke? Also, in this instance when I went for a drive after the idling, smoke was MUCH more apparent even with the dispersal.
This is a perfect example of the poor symptoms provided by an OP. In your original post, you mentioned nothing about very little smoke at idle. In fact, you stated that your problem is with smoke at idle.

Now, it's apparent that the smoke is not at idle. It's when you increase RPM's after sitting at idle for 15 minutes.

So, we now have a completely different conclusion. The new symptoms that you describe are perfectly associated with the problem of bad turbo seals.
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Old 05-08-2009, 11:53 AM
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I apologize if I wasn't clear. I did mention, though, that the longer it idled the more it seemed to smoke and then after idling for a while it would smoke very much on acceleration. To clarify: there is SOME smoke at idle and more the more it idles. When I press the accelerator after idling for a while there is a quite a bit of smoke. Normal driving conditions without lengthy idle=very little to no smoke. Is this still consistent with turbo seals? Thank you for your time.
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:18 PM
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Normal driving conditions without lengthy idle=very little to no smoke.
How do you quantify "little or no smoke" when you are sitting in the driver's seat? Does your data come from the rear view mirror?
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:43 PM
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Yes, but I would add when I stop and put it i park, I give the engine a little rev and open the door and look at the tail-pipe. If I do that after a normal drive (no lengthy idle) I see no smoke either at idle or when I rev the engine. If I let it sit and idle for more than 5 minutes I will start to see wisps of blueish-grey smoke and puffs when I rev. Yesterday was an abnormally long idle (more than 15 min.) period because I was tweaking the idle-dampener and I saw much more smoke (big plumes when reving, steady wisps at idle) and noticed the oil loss(greater than 1/2 qt). Thanks again.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:07 PM
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Yes, but I would add when I stop and put it i park, I give the engine a little rev and open the door and look at the tail-pipe. If I do that after a normal drive (no lengthy idle) I see no smoke either at idle or when I rev the engine. If I let it sit and idle for more than 5 minutes I will start to see wisps of blueish-grey smoke and puffs when I rev. Yesterday was an abnormally long idle (more than 15 min.) period because I was tweaking the idle-dampener and I saw much more smoke (big plumes when reving, steady wisps at idle) and noticed the oil loss(greater than 1/2 qt). Thanks again.
My conclusion is that the turbo leaks oil at all times. However, at idle, there is insufficient airflow to move the oil to the intake manifold and it pools at the turbo outlet. When airflow is increased, this large amount of oil will head toward the cylinders and generate the increased smoke.

If this conclusion is valid, the oil consumption is present at all times............not simply when sitting at idle. I question the validity of the data regarding the oil consumption.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:18 PM
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Fair enough. I guess it's possible the seals have just gotten worse recently. Is there anything else that would exhibit these symptoms? Sticky ring(s)? Head gasket (not losing coolant)? valve stem seals? I'm planning on a compression check soon. I guess I would have to pull the turbo to find out for sure?
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