What's Up with all these non MB Diesel Threads?
 

Maybe the name of this forum needs to be changed to "Dieselshop.com"

I was following the Jetta thread, then this morning I noticed a Honda diesel thread and a 6.2 GM Diesel thread.

SOooo.... just a reminder, regardless of what the butt holes at Mercedes Benz think about the name Mercedesshop.com, this is still a discussion forum for MERCEDES BENZ AUTOMOBILES and even TRUCKS!

That's my $0.02, so call me an A$$ hole if you want.

word. 100% agree.

Yeah, let's get back to discussing R134A conversions

Larry....Good call.

I think it is because no other BBS has the people and knowledge found here.

You cannot blame us for posting where we get answers.

Come to think about it, I am having issues with the engine in my old Diesel CJ5's Perkins. Anybody know how to set the injection timing on this bad boy?


(just kidding...):D

I don't see the harm.
When I have a question about something, these are the folks, mostly, that I want opinions from. That is why I get irritated when a wheel question gets moved to the vacant Tire and Wheel forum. [insert cricket chirping here]
Regardless of the bastardized name our website now enjoys, this forum has always been "Diesel Discussion", not "Mercedes Diesel Discussion". :D
However, can the opinion of somebody with a "Rogue T" obsession really be trusted......
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Thanks for pointing me to the Honda/VW threads. Though it looks like I won't be replacing my 240D with one of those anytime soon as Honda has already scrapped plans to sell diesels here, and I don't care for timing belts. But they were interesting.

Happy Motoring, Mark

I see your point Larry, but LUVMBDiesels has a point. If I could post on another forum about another diesel non-MB vehicle and get the expert advice like I can here I would. The problem is I can't. This forum has the most knowledgeable people when it comes to diesels of any variety.

I don't see the harm.

Mercedes diesels or non at all.

Obviously you have not driven other diesels in the world.

is there a question about a MB diesel engine on this thread? didn't see it.

Questions about my 1985 Ford Escort GL Diesel......
 

LMAO!:D Just yanking your chain! But I did have one back in the day! Someone said it was a Mazda Diesel in it but I never knew for sure. 2.0L non turbo 5 speed. 41mpg around town and 50+ straight highway! I leased it and would of kept it but Ford Motor Credit wanted something like $8000 to buy it out and the book said it was worth $3800. Thing was a blast to drive but did not catch on i guess here in the states.

Did you say Honda Diesel??? Is there such a thing?

Funny but I saw a old Jeep CJ7-ish style lifted way up with huge mud tires on it yesterday. When he cranked it it sounded like a diesel. Thought i must be mistaken but sure enough when he romped on it a HUGE cloud of black smoke followed!

I see the good points from both sides of this arguement. However, this forum has been greatly helpful to me and many others when working on our old mercedes cars. If we turn this into a general diesel forum wont we be losing the great part about this forum? Honest information, great opinions, easy to find fixes for our Mercedes passions. As for me, I would rather not have to search through all the threads about "how to make my Cummins blow more black smoke" that some morons post on the truck forums. Why not keep the forum what it is meant for and PM those people that may have greater knowledge and ask them opinions on your other diesel products. Although i am guilty of participating in a TDI thread on here:o at least they are still german right?

I am always in favor of free flowing discussion between members with common interests regardless of brand names.

I agree, it is a "diesel discussion" board and personally I do like to read about some of the other oil burning alternatives. If you want to be really nitpicky then at least half of the mercedes posts aren't diesel related here, most have to do with brakes, transmissions, suspensions, seats, windows, sunroofs and precious few are strictly related to the compression-ignition cycle but I think most people who watch this board feel a more special kinship with the other diesel drivers and don't enforce the "strictly diesel" content which the posts here are supposed to pertain to.

99% of the threads here are MB diesel related. I don't mind an occational non MB diesel related post. Reminds us MB deisel heads that there are other diesel heads out there and other diesel stuff out there. Also educates us out other diesel stuff that we may not find else where. If the diesel discussion starts to get over run by non MB diesel stuff then I think it's time to crack down. That's my
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I propose a solution
 

Why not have a subsection to the Diesel Discussion section called

Inferior Diesel Discussion

:):)

Not all non-MB diesels are inferior.http://smilies.forums-free.com/csbm_...0d491f36bb.gif

This thread is . . .

:offtopic:

C'mon gang, stay focused.


Did I mention I would never trade in my two MB diesels for one Camry???

Let's revive that thread.

This Diesel discussion part of the forum is the one Iam primarily in. I feel
at home and comfortable here.

Every thread doesn`t stay on topic all the time, they all drift some before someone gets it back on track.

So this is for discussing the Diesel engine, then any other part of the car should be taken up in another part of the forum. I know that is not going to happen, just splitting hairs here.

When we are hashing over something on our w123 and w126, and those newer MB Diesels (I stop at 85 ;)) we feel in our hearts that the whole car is diesel. The Diesel Forum is the most active and with knowledgeable Diesel vehicle related owners, there is someone here that has done the job, or enough have done it to walk us through it.

This is about DIY repair and manintenance. the newer Diesels coming on the market are great, but will be junk sooner as they get past the warranty and repairs will be costly. DIY will be nonexistant for these.

I see Larry`s point about bringing in none MB Diesel vehicles, this is MercedesShop. but that get`s back to, this is where a lot of us are comfortable here. It` Home :rolleyes:.

OH, by the way, Iam have ing some trouble with my Datsun Diesel, it seem to
be lacking power, using too muvh fule,a n sk bla bla bla etc.....

Charlie

I'm in the camp of "regardless of the subject, these are the folks I trust to give good advice." That doesn't mean I'd come in every single day for advice on how to fix a Crown Vic. But once in a while, I don't think it hurts anything if it's not excessive. It doesn't just make me want to chain-saw the computer every single time I see an OT thread. They seem to be pretty well limited naturally; I don't see (personally) a huge excess of non-diesel threads.

This thread should be moved to the wheel and tire forum.:eek::D


In seriousness, I post here when i need real answers to real issues.

i respond here when others need solutions that I have.

Even though i am starting to get into some gassers, this is still the first forum i visit each day.

Okay, the jig is up!

A few days ago, I saw a ressurrected thread that Carameow had started. Carameow was a wonderful guy and great poster here for most of the almost ten years I've been posting here. Carameow seemed to pop up with subjects that would attract two dozen posts a day and they were only loosely related to his Benz.

Carameow also posted very good technical threads and technical responses, but I remember him most for his gift as an online entertainer.

It was my remembering him that made me start a thread with a somewhat controversial tone. The amazing part of it was that no one took me up on my offer that they could call me an .........

You guys are great.


BTW, I am queer for diesels, regardless of brand, so I kind of enjoy the occasional non MB diesel conversation. The odd part is that the only running diesel left on my place is my tractor.

Well Larry a diesel tractor is better than nothing :D

Larry, I see no need to call you an...
Name calling belongs in grade school.;)

Seat is leather, or MB-Tex???

I could never in a million years keep my car on the road without this site. That being said, threads about GTI or Peugots or whatever are no help to me whatsoever. The true beauty of this forum is its specific orientation to pre electronic MBZ diesels.

All car makes and models are very specific. I'm sorry for all the Powerstroke, Duramax and GTI owners out there who dont have the same resource. Maybe if they would work at it, like the posters do here, they could have a site of their own.

For me, keep it MB! I just wish there were more w201's on the road (or maybe they're so reliable they dont need a lot of searching on the internet)!!!

Oh there are sites dedicated to the Powersmoke and Duracrax.

Umm it's Powerjokes and Durasux:D

Fell outta my chair on that one!:D

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The Benz's came last to my garage but they are first in my heart and mind and so I naturally gravitated to this forum.
I have fully embraced the diesel/biodiesel "lifestyle" and am always looking for trusted info on all my vehicles and this place has a wealth of knowledge on many different machines.

Exactly.

When a member has a question on a VW diesel or a GM diesel or a CAT diesel, we allow them to post on this board. All members can see the title of the thread and understand that it's not a Mercedes...........therefore are free to bypass it without suffering any undue harm.

My limit is with tires and wheels, or body and paint, simply because the website has individual forums specifically for that purpose. I understand the frustration with the low volume on those forums, however, they are there for a purpose and should be utilized.

BTW, I am queer for diesels

I hooted at that line. I guess I could say the same too.

My favorite machinist's son (who works with him and is at age 32 or so is a very accomplised machinist too) used to say that I am "ate up with those mercedes".

Hey I took it for a serious thread (I did wonder a bit about it).

You are entitled to your opinion and have earned the right to say pretty much whatever you want here without anybody calling you any names.

Okay Larry,

Why dont you start a "who all has a diesel tractor" thread. I am sure there would be plenty of posts.

Mea culpa. I started a couple of non-MB threads regarding turbocharging a Jeep diesel project I'm currently eyeball deep into.

HOWEVER they were semi-MB related in that I initially wanted to use a turbo off one of my spare 300D engines.

Like others have stated, I posted them here not just because they were loosely related to MB diesels, but also because I knew I could get good answers to technical questions.

I second the motion for a sub-forum for questions and discussion of "inferior" (or at least OTHER) diesels.....

In keeping with the Spirit of this thread, I'd just like to add that I prefer the old fashioned cling Peaches in my Peach Pie.

The best tasting Peachparts make the best pies! :)

MBTex, sorta'.

If I can find a new seat for my shot drivers seat, I"d put my mbtex on my tractor.

Personally I love this forum. There's nothing wrong with a different thread every now and then.

When eating a peach I have always found cling-ons to be messy and a nuisance. I prefer the quick release models, both in tools and fruit.

Fresh or fresh frozen for pies for me.

Its not a Car,if it has no Star.
Mercedes worlds first passenger Car Diesel.Why drive inferior copies.

Are those the ones from Star trek? I've never eaten one of those. But I bet you're right, it would be awfully messy. :eek:

As long as the title line describes the application I don't see any harm in it. The knowledge I have gained on this forum has helped me tremendously in all diesel application issues I have been involved in. One of the last non MB diesels I have had the pleasure of dealing with was pulling/repairing/installing an injection pump on a Perkins diesel in a Massey Ferguson tractor. Seems my friend (the owner) had run some bad fuel through it. I was paid with a S&W airweight with lazer sites for performing that repair:) which around these parts is better than cash. Another application I have nosed around on was the replacement of the cyl liners in an early 60's GE diesel locomotive. Did you realize you can change those sleeves out without pulling the engine. Now that would be a nice design feature for the MB diesel if they would have thought of it.

Jim,

That liner change sounds like a Cummins or Detroit.

Everyone,

Here's a non MB diesel discussion for you:

A friend of mine at work is wanting to put a diesel in a 20 year old Chevy pickup such that it will have tow power. Being a savvy maintenance guy and fabricator he was up for my suggestion of putting in a 4-53 Detroit. He had never heard of a Detroit Diesel before. He has since bought a recntly overhauled 4-53 and Allison transmission. It's fun following his progress.

Here's a good diesel trivia question for you diesel heads: What makes the operation of a Detroit (The old guys call them a "Jimmie") diesel engine different than any other? This question will separate the true smelly diesel guys from the diesel yuppies.

The Detroit Diesel engines (53, 71, 92, 110, and 149 series) were all two stroke engines with blowers.

Exhaust valves only. Air enters through ports in cylinder walls when piston is down. Air is compressed as piston moves up. Fuel is injected just before top dead center. Mixture ignites, valves open at point before piston uncovers intake ports in cylinder wall. Piston uncovers intake ports. Air is forced in by supercharger,exhaust valves close, and away we go! Screaming Jimmy's.

Those Jimmy two strokers running at 3500 RPM (if they can) sound like a four stroke v12 running 7000 rpm!

When I was a kid I knew they sounded cool but didn't understand why.

They can't.

The maximum rpm for most of them is about 2300 rpm.

They still sound pretty great, though I can't say when I last saw one on the road.

Wow! I get to award some A+ report cards here. What an astute diesel group!

The beauty of the 4-53 that my friend is using is that roughly speaking this 212 cubic engine will perform almost as well as a 424 cubic inch engine. Factoring in the parasitic loss of the blower it is something a little less.

He is moving forward with this project on blind faith. He still doesn't realize how cool it is going to sound.