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Old 10-25-2010, 08:20 PM
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B100 maybe not completely evil

I recently ran 1/4-1/2 tank of B100 ? ( 10% ) in my 85 300SD. As reported in some of my previous posts I am bringing everything up to speed slowly ad recently found the engine sounded different. I am still going to have new nozzles installed and do the valve adjustment but it just did not sound right at idle ( the infamous nailing sound) anyway it ran okay except I do not believe the turbo is spooling up ( one issue at a time unless they are related). Anyway I ran the B100 on a long highway run at 60-70 Mph and everything seemed the same. The next day I started it and drove around a little and I noticed the nailing had pretty much disappeared. Also maybe...... idled a little smoother.
I just filled up with straight Diesel and will run it down and then finally change out my tank strainer and replace the tank end lines. The valves will be checked for adjustment next week. Is it my imagination ? I have read mixed reviews of anything except straight Diesel being the work of the Devil. Also read threads in praise of B100/B200 . This is really just my 2 cents but it seemed to help. I do not plan on running it all the time but it was the same price as Diesel so I said what the heck.

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Old 10-25-2010, 09:35 PM
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b100 is far from evil. it's WVO that's evil. and even it is not evil if properly administered.
B100 has a great lubricity factor, and a wonderful cleaning feature. it will unfortunately, reduce your MPG... as there is less energy than diesel.
the oil will function improperly, in modern hypercompressed DI motors, but it can work in those cars for some time without issue, but problems will arise eventually.
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[ Also read threads in praise of B100/B200] quote:

What is B200?

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Old 10-25-2010, 10:34 PM
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B200 ??
Is it twice the price ??
Or do you use twice as much?

X2 with John on WVO.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:51 PM
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Maybe twice as concentrated.

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Old 10-25-2010, 10:56 PM
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I may be ( and if so will be quickly and with precision and cutting wit, be made aware of aforementioned mistake) wrong but I thought I saw a few threads that mentioned the available blends of Biodiesel with 5,10 & 20% blends available. Maybe I'm wrong and if so thanks for the info. VStech as always great feed back ! I read on some of the threads about the drawbacks but was still pretty amazed at how 1/4- 1/2 cleared some things up. Even after running Diesel Purge through. Anyway it was just curious if anyone else had similar results. Again I love all the good advice and the humor and jibs tossed around here. Have a good night !
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:02 PM
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I may be ( and if so will be quickly and with precision and cutting wit, be made aware of aforementioned mistake) wrong but I thought I saw a few threads that mentioned the available blends of Biodiesel with 5,10 & 20% blends available. Maybe I'm wrong and if so thanks for the info. VStech as always great feed back ! I read on some of the threads about the drawbacks but was still pretty amazed at how 1/4- 1/2 cleared some things up. Even after running Diesel Purge through. Anyway it was just curious if anyone else had similar results. Again I love all the good advice and the humor and jibs tossed around here. Have a good night !
5% would be B5
10%, B10
20%, B20

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Old 10-25-2010, 11:13 PM
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... Also read threads in praise of B100/B200 . This is really just my 2 cents but it seemed to help. I do not plan on running it all the time but it was the same price as Diesel so I said what the heck...
Is B200 double concentrated?

I'd buy that at half the price of the regular stuff.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:15 PM
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B100 runs very well in my 5.9L cummins and the fuel system couldn't be cleaner. It doesn't seem to be any quieter in operation until it is under load when compared to running on #2 diesel.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:16 PM
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Got it, next time I go to the court house I'll take a look ( the Gas station is right near the court house at the county seat ) at what their sign says and post it.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:45 AM
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5% would be B5
10%, B10
20%, B20

I wish I could get some around here...
Crazy_Nate,

What is your zipcode or city, I'll look up some of the stations in the biodiesel registrar.

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Old 10-26-2010, 01:13 AM
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B100 runs very well in my 5.9L cummins and the fuel system couldn't be cleaner. It doesn't seem to be any quieter in operation until it is under load when compared to running on #2 diesel.
B100 does a hell of job dissolving all the varnish and waxy buildup on the inside of the tank and fuel lines, a good reason to keep spare fuel filters handy on the first few full tank fulls of B100 after a steady diet of petro diesel. The caloric loss in energy relative to #2 petro diesel is less than 10%. For the additional lubricity offered, it's probably a fair tradeoff. For that matter #1 diesel has less energy content then #2 with very little fuel lubricity to protect the injection pump.

For comparison, in BTUs:
#1 petro diesel - 124,243
#2 petro diesel - 129,500
B2 - 129,276
B20 - 127,259
B100 - 118,296

Determining the quality of the engine tickover under load is probably the better yardstick, a quiet idle is nice, but I'd rather have it quiet the racket when it's really working.

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Old 10-26-2010, 01:26 AM
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Its good to see we all agree that B200 is twice as concentrated, you use half as much & it costs half as much. Now all is needed is to find some one who sells it !!
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:08 AM
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Beastie,

I run B99 all the time. I have been driving over 1,000 miles per week and have had zero issues with it. I usually wind up running it in a blend because I have a hard time making it over to my local supplier some days. If you run it enough there will be no reason to pull your tank screen (unless you really want to). The B100 will clean it for you. You will eventually have to replace that hose though, along with a bunch of other ones as they will start to deteriorate internally. If you replace most or all of the lines now. You will not have to worry about it at all.

And yes there is a notable change in the "tone" of the engine while running it. It actually makes mine run a little quieter.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:19 AM
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Do you have the BTU/h of winter-blend D2?

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