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winmutt · #1 01-18-2011, 10:28 AM

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-brave-new-world-of-fossil-fuels-on-demand/article1871149/

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In September, a privately held and highly secretive U.S. biotech company named Joule Unlimited received a patent for “a proprietary organism” – a genetically adapted E. coli bacterium – that feeds solely on carbon dioxide and excretes liquid hydrocarbons: diesel fuel, jet fuel and gasoline. This breakthrough technology, the company says, will deliver renewable supplies of liquid fossil fuel almost anywhere on Earth, in essentially unlimited quantity and at an energy-cost equivalent of $30 (U.S.) a barrel of crude oil. It will deliver, the company says, “fossil fuels on demand.”

TX76513 · #2 01-18-2011, 10:30 AM

Give me a PM when its an IPO

vstech · #3 01-18-2011, 10:35 AM

N.F.W.!!!!

notice the juxtaposition of 10,000 gallons of oil per acre of production compared to 328 BARRELS of ethanol produced from an acre of corn....

they kinda stretched the limits of credibility with that statement...

they do go on to state it may be possible to go to 25000 gallons of fuel when ramped up to commercial production which would be approximately 800 barrels of fuel... so... they are saying only 31.5 gallons / barrel? I thought it was 33... either way, 32gallons/barrel is only 312.5 barrels of fuel... so corn makes more. and corn gets diluted from 10% in standard fuel, to 85% in E85(which nobody uses really...)

ForcedInduction · #4 01-18-2011, 10:45 AM

Neil Reynolds has an extremely poor reputation as a journalist.

If any scientific mind is used with the article it reads off as another "perpetual motion" invention.

vstech · #5 01-18-2011, 10:49 AM

heh. I've got a buddy of mine that's convinced he can build a "magnetic generator" that will power his house for about 100.00 in parts from the plans...
could not explain to him the folly of it...

ForcedInduction · #6 01-18-2011, 10:59 AM

Besides, I thought algae biodiesel was supposed to be the cure for oil. Its been "around the corner" for a few decades now.

EDBSO · #7 01-18-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by vstech

N.F.W.!!!!

notice the juxtaposition of 10,000 gallons of oil per acre of production compared to 328 BARRELS of ethanol produced from an acre of corn....

they kinda stretched the limits of credibility with that statement...

they do go on to state it may be possible to go to 25000 gallons of fuel when ramped up to commercial production which would be approximately 800 barrels of fuel... so... they are saying only 31.5 gallons / barrel? I thought it was 33... either way, 32gallons/barrel is only 312.5 barrels of fuel... so corn makes more. and corn gets diluted from 10% in standard fuel, to 85% in E85(which nobody uses really...)

Cost For A Gallon Of Corn Ethanol

Corn Ethanol Futures Market quote for January 2007 Delivery $2.49

Add cost of transporting, storing and blending corn ethanol $0.28

Added cost of making gasoline that can be blended with corn ethanol $0.09

Add cost of subsidies paid to blender $0.51

Total Direct Costs per Gallon $3.37

Added cost from waste $0.40

Added cost from damage to infrastructure and user's engine $0.06

Total Indirect Costs per Gallon $0.46

Added cost of lost energy $1.27

Added cost of food (American family of four) $1.79

Total Social Costs $3.06

Total Cost of Corn Ethanol @ 85% Blend $6.89 per gallon BUT because of tax payer paid subsidies you can buy it for $3.23 a gallon $101.75 a barrel today.

ForcedInduction · #8 01-18-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EDBSO

Added cost from damage to infrastructure and user's engine $0.06

That is false information, ethanol will not harm engines.

cirrusman · #9 01-18-2011, 11:23 AM

I'll believe it when I get to buy it at my local Chevron station. For now it looks to me like another young company trying to make it to the big leagues Enron-style.

bustedbenz · #10 01-18-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

That is false information, ethanol will not harm engines.

It sure isn't good for them.

Ethanol damages 2-stroke engines:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25936782/ns/business-consumer_news/

Problems in standard (older) automobile engines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85_in_standard_engines#Problems
(also some info in the intro section)

Popular Mechanics article:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine

ForcedInduction · #11 01-18-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bustedbenz

Ethanol damages 2-stroke engines
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Problems in standard (older) automobile engines

From the articles listed you only show its harmful to older engines, 2-strokes and fuel moisture.
Older engines and 2-strokes are what ethanol was designed for, it creates a lean condition that burns hotter and more completely. Modern engines simply adjust the A/F ratio to compensate, which renders the ethanol useless and harmless, the only effect is reduced MPG and consumption of food that could be used to feed starving countries.

2-strokes need oil thats compatible with ethanol.
Older engines need the carb adjusted.
Moisture can be prevented by not buying crap fuel from shady stations.
Problems solved.

EDBSO · #12 01-18-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

, the only effect is reduced MPG and consumption of food that could be used to feed starving countries.

the only effect is reduced MPG and consumption of food that could be used to feed us and starving countries at a lower cost and then there are the tax subsidies that we all pay. So where is the problem? Almost forgot about the billions in bribes to politicians to keep this all going.

Corn uses scarce and expensive farm lands. "proprietary organism" can be put on arid mid west otherwise unusable lands.

ForcedInduction · #13 01-18-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EDBSO

Corn uses scarce and expensive farm lands. "proprietary organism" can be put on arid mid west otherwise unusable lands.

And everywhere else when it escapes into the wild and turns all our freshwater bodies into diesel. Or did they add a "lysine contingency" to its DNA?

josha37 · #14 01-18-2011, 12:06 PM

oh conspiracy... i heart you. get a life ethanol is good for the farming communities and is made from corn that otherwise would have not been used for food. Are you aware almost 75% of corn is wasted or damaged before it is consumed? I grew up in iowa go back to hollywood and sell your bs on a corner with a piece of cardboard, oh and stop eating our corn.