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which one of these is the more affordable option? with 270k on the odo, you *will* be selecting one of these in the near future.... |
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FYI
The oil pump chain was superseded three times on this (VIN#) engine.
General agreement from myself and several automotive engineers that have dropped by to see this = Oil pump chain elongation is the probable cause of this failure, but the vacuum pump bearing failure may have been a contributing factor as to when it occurred. Best guess after forensic teardown/inspection: * The oil pump chain shows severe elongation. * The oil pump drive sprocket teeth are (chain wear) damaged beyond use. * The crankshaft oil pump drive sprocket teeth need to be cleaned and inspected for damaged. Here is an example of the oil pump drive sprocket tooth chain wear/damage. Sprockets: I ended up buying a Nighthawk 450-Page 2: Off-Topic Discussion forum: Grassroots Motorsports Magazine Related information http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/general-information/163604-timing-chains-dont-last-forever.html Preliminary parts list: Roller chain, oil pump, brand "IWIS" is in my opinion the only rational choice. MB# 0039977494 Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW Sprocket, oil pump drive 6031810112 Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW Oil pump MB# 6021800401 Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW Possible additional parts needed Crankshaft gear MB# 6060520003 Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW Crankshaft Seal, Front 120 997 03 46 Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW .
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Makes me glad that I replaced the oil pump chain and sprocket when I replaced the timing cover a few years ago. At the time I was wondering if it was worth the hassle as the old parts appeared to be fine, but at least now I don't need to worry about it...
Pics of the shiny new chain and sprocket on my OM603.960 motor: |
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... wow. I bet that sprocket is not supposed to have a diamond shaped hole in the center...
please take some pics of the new gear!
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I don't know. Seems that the tensioner would take up any slack that the elongation may contribute unless the tensioner was down to the spring. With that said, and if there was some wear in the chain, it seems plausable that something could have gotten hung up between the sprocket and chain to break it.
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More damage found
Here are damage pictures of the three main, AND one rod bearing.
All taken with a better camera. CRANKSHAFT MAIN SURFACE. MAIN BEARING SURFACE. CRANKSHAFT ROD SURFACE. ROD BEARING SURFACE. . |
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oil pump sprocket
Here are BETTER damage pictures of the oil pump sprocket.
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and all or most of that damage was caused by a ball bearing falling down from the vacuum pump? Or was the more going on?
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New parts have arrived:
* Three new main bearings. * Oil pump. * Sprocket, oil pump drive. * Rod cap bolts. * Roller chain, oil pump, brand "IWIS". * Crankshaft gear. * Crankshaft Seal, Front. Now to begin flushing the oil galleries. . |
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Did you find the missing bearing? Is it possible that it did not fall into the pan, but got carried up into the valve cover by the chain and went down a galley in the head?
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Bought a 40+ year old one ton engine stand, NONE of the new 750 - 1200 pound rated stands survived more than 12 hours before bending..
The crankshaft is out. Aluminum fragments from the failed pump where found in the oil oil galleries. This is an old trick. I will be soaking the crankshaft bearing surfaces with "Easy-Off oven cleaner". There is a light coat of ALUMINUM on three of the crankshaft main bearing surfaces.. Here is a thread that describes the simple procedure. Aluminum stuck on crank, chemical to remove it? . |
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I'd definitely recommend looking for an older, preferably US-built stand, like you had to do. If buying a new Chinese stand, get one rated at least double or preferably triple the expected load (i.e., 1500-2000 lbs rating, for most MB motors). Then you'll have even more fun when the mounting tubes are too short and you have to pull the flywheel to get the engine to bolt up (on some motors, like the M119). Don't ask how I know... |
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